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How did I Fail so badly?!

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StressedMum18 · 18/07/2018 20:06

Name changed for this, but regular poster.

My DD 18 has just left the house. Today has been the final straw for both of us in terms of her attitude and behaviour.

About 4 weeks ago (end of A Levels) she suddenly turned from a typical teenager/young adult, to a rude, ungrateful, spoilt girl.

For context, she has a part time job and I work full time. She takes home over £500 a month. She has no outgoings. I pay for: her monthly bus pass, mobile phone bill, and food. She pays no rent (have never asked). All I have asked is that she does her chore each day like her siblings (either empty dishwasher, tidy living room, or tidy bathrooms). That’s it.
For 4 weeks she’s either not done her chore, or been incredibly rude when I’ve asked her to do so.

She’s also been rude pretty much every time I try and talk with her. Every thing I say she gives a sarcastic response to, every time I ask her how her day has been she grunts and walks off, every time one of her siblings says hello she ignores them......the list goes on.

She’s going on holiday at the beginning of August. She’s known about this for 6 months. Her passport expired in April, and I kept telling her she needed to get a new form from the Post Office and get her photos done. She didn’t. I also told her she needs to help pay for it. I kept reminding her, but she did nothing. In the end, I got the forms, got them countersigned along with her photos and got her to fill it in. I took it to the Post Office to send, but she’d done it wrong (I did try and help, but she’s an adult now and could do it on her own apparently). I got new forms, got those signed, and gave her £50 towards it. She snatched it off me and went to her room - no thank you. She only sent it off yesterday. I’d be surprised if it comes back in time.

She was paid 2 weeks ago, and Sunday was moaning she has no money left for holiday. I’m not surprised, with the amount of clothes deliveries that arrive daily, along with takeaway orders. Stupidly I said she could come and work for me for a few days (she’s on the payroll). Monday she came in. Helped for a bit, then fell asleep for 2 hours because she felt ‘ill’. She did minimal work.
Yesterday she came in (despite me saying I didn’t need her). She proceeded to speak to me like crap in front of my staff, and moaned when I asked her to grab something from the sodding printer. It was embarrassing. I even took her to one side, and told her that if she was my employee I would have fired her by now.

Today, I get home from work. Ask her how her day was. First thing she says is that she brought Nando’s! I asked why if she has no money and she immediately started shouting at me telling me she’s an adult and can do what she likes.
I went to the supermarket to have a break, and she sends me a huge email telling me that I’m the worst mother in the world, I don’t respect her, I don’t care for her, and when I’m ready to apologise for my behaviour she will listen.
I returned (didn’t apologise) and she started shouting about when I treat her like my child, she will treat me like her mum.

She’s now packed her bags and gone to ‘live’ with the cool uncle.

I honestly can’t win. We have family time, she doesn’t want to come. We go out for lunch, nope, doesn’t want to go. I offer to go for a drive or walk to talk, nope, I’m being unreasonable expecting her to get dressed so quickly.

She has a good social life, she has friends (also lost some because she’s so opinionated), and enjoys her work.

I don’t understand why she’s suddenly changed. All I can think of is the fact that she’s stressing over her exams and Uni. Either that, or I’ve massively failed at parenting big time.

Gosh, sorry that’s so long! Any advice gratefully received!

OP posts:
putonyourdancingshoes · 18/07/2018 20:17

@StressedMum18 first of all you sound like a great Mum, so don't put yourself down. Her attitude stinks, yes but have you considered there could be some underlying issues? I remember when I was going through a hard time I was a bit like that towards my parents (perhaps not to the same extent).

It is probably a good thing that she stays with her uncle for a while, give the both the both of you some space. What is he saying about it though?

If I were you I would not be giving anymore money to her for her holiday, if she hasn't saved then tough she will have to scrimp on her trip. I would also ask her uncle to refrain from giving her money too and not to enable her behaviours at his house.

I would give her an ultimatum, if things don't change when she comes back from holidays you will cut off her phone and she will have to pay her own way.

GreenTulips · 18/07/2018 20:23

Start treating her like the adult she wants to be

Stop paying for her phone
Stop doing 'her choresshe can wash and iron her own clothes
She can cook her own tea

Let her sort her own crap out

Leave her to sulk, she'll soon come home

gamerchick · 18/07/2018 20:24

Tbh you aren't helping her grow up.

All this wiping her backside needs to stop, stop enabling her, she needs to learn how to fall and get up again on her own.

Uniquack · 18/07/2018 20:25

She sounds like my 9yo DD (almost 10) who's just started puberty!

Katri0na · 18/07/2018 20:26

I am afraid I haven't really got any advice, but you sound far too nice. I think it's completely fine for kids to stay with their parents as long as they need, but there are rules and acceptable behaviour and it doesn't matter if you are 10 or 18.

You shouldn't tolerate her being rude, and giving her money

Let her with her "cool" uncle, enjoy the peace. I bet it won't last, he will get quickly bored of a sulky teen if she doesn't improve her attitude. Let her know she is always welcome in your home, but only if she starts behaving.

TittyGolightly · 18/07/2018 20:28

She takes home over £500 a month. She has no outgoings. I pay for: her monthly bus pass, mobile phone bill, and food. She pays no rent (have never asked).

You’ve made life far too easy.

gamerchick · 18/07/2018 20:28

If any of

ShakingInTheHighCourt · 18/07/2018 20:28

Let her go for a bit and let the dust settle. She may be very worried about how she’s done in her exams and taking it out on you. Not cool but hmm.

In view of her reckless spending and holiday situation I would not be able to help out with her cash flow issues when the time comes, that one is her look out. Cool uncle might also need a quiet word about this, too.

We’ve all been young and can shudder looking back. If this is a new behaviour I’d be more worried than angry ( easy for me to say). However keep some firm boundaries. She wouldn’t be coming back to my workplace after that performance.

Let’s hope she reverts to normal soon.

mummmy2017 · 18/07/2018 20:29

Poor you.

wellBeehivedWoman · 18/07/2018 20:29

It sounds like you've done more than enough for her now. Stressed or not that's no excuse for her behaviour.

Let her go to the uncle, stop paying her bills, don't give her any more money. Let her strike out now and fail while the consequences are just missing a holiday. She'll get over herself pdq when she doesn't have your lovely safety net Flowers

gamerchick · 18/07/2018 20:29

Sorry posted too soon

If any of mine even utter the words about me giving them an apology during brat mode I'd be packing their bags myself.

Bambamber · 18/07/2018 20:29

Don't give her another penny

Ansumpasty · 18/07/2018 20:30

I remember being told that children (and young adults) often take it out on the person they love most as feel most comfortable with when they have personal issues going on.
Pretty hard to find out what they could be when she’s been so bratty and distant, though.

You sound like an amazing mum and it’s nothing you have done wrong Flowers

rainingcatsanddog · 18/07/2018 20:32

You are treating her like a kid and I've had a very similar argument with my 17 year old.

I paid for his passport but it took 3 months of to and fro before the passport office sent him his passport. He was really pissed off and refused to chase things up but he has a passport and I didn't do a thing apart from pay and suggest he call them. Mission accomplished.

He wouldn't do his chores so I stopped washing and cooking for him. 2 weeks later, he's caved and done it and I even got a text apology admitting that he should have done it ages ago.

The money thing is not your problem. If you bail her out all of the time, she'll keep on doing this. She needs to experience her card being declined or seeing a minuscule amount in her bank account balance. If she's off to uni, it'll be even harder to resist not wasting her loan money. If she needs cash, she'll do what adults do and return clothes, sell stuff on Facebook. Do not help her or she won't learn. She can get out of her mess herself. The fact that she is buying Nando's proves that she doesn't really consider herself broke.

rainingcatsanddog · 18/07/2018 20:34

Let her go to her uncle's. He will get annoyed with her before long.

Lethaldrizzle · 18/07/2018 20:35

It sounds like you've both got into a vicious cycle of behaviour, from what you've written it sounds like every interaction you have with her is negative. Could you leave her be for a bit and allow her to make her own mistakes without being criticised. Hard work but worth a try

nearlyfiftyjeez · 18/07/2018 20:36

Best place for her at the uncles house. I would send her a lovely text telling her you love her and wish her the best.
Then you stop doing every last thing for her. She is an adult and at the moment she is taking advantage of the best of both worlds. Being adult means being respectful to others.
No more working together that is a receipe for disaster. Keep the door open but insist on much more housework, manners and respect if she is to come back

CherryPavlova · 18/07/2018 20:40

I’m going to say the opposite. You’ve not failed and whilst exasperating, I suspect she’s not a bad girl.
She’s technically an adult but in reality is a child that’s just left school. She’s got no idea of adult responsibilities and the need to plan ahead. She’s exhausted from exams, I suspect anxious about her future - will she get the grades she needs etc and not knowing where she’s going in October or who she’ll be going with to university. It must be terrifying if you stop and think.
In addition she’s just got more money than she’s ever imagined and has been on a spending spree. We’ve all done that, surely. She’s time enough to save for her holiday. She will learn to balance her funds but it takes time.
It’s good she’s working. Be proud. Tell her you’re proud.
Talk to her. Go out for a drink or meal together - much harder to show irritation when you’re in public.
You’ll likely ‘lose’ her in October when university starts and you’ll miss her horribly. Don’t be so cross you forget to enjoy the time you can have together now. Set boundaries that are agreed between you. She might surprise you and do more than you ask. It just takes a few weeks to transition from schoolchild.

mineofuselessinformation · 18/07/2018 20:40

The only thing I can think of is that she thinks she's bombed her A levels and you're getting the sharp end of it - not that that's an excuse, she's capable of talking to you after all.
Let her know that while your door is always open to her (as long as she keeps to house rules), you're happy for her to branch out as a young adult. But, that means taking full responsibility for herself, including paying her way.
I suspect that by the end of the summer she will be back.
Teenagers can be bloody hard work. Thanks for you.

Knittedfairies · 18/07/2018 20:41

If she wants to be treated as an adult I suggest she starts by paying for her own phone and transport, and taking care of her own laundry for starters. You’ve not failed; you’ve just got to get through this.

StressedMum18 · 18/07/2018 20:44

Thank you all for the replies so far.

I know I’ve enabled her behaviour with regards to finances. Hindsight is wonderful!

I’m really worried about her exams (and I think she is too). She declined an unconditional offer from her second choice uni (against my advice) to take a place needing 3 A (because a boy she liked was going there). She then did zero revision until 2 days before the exams. I am massively worried for her, as I think Uni will be the making of her and exactly what she needs.

It’s the lack of respect that’s hurting me the most. I honestly don’t think it’s justified, and I love that girl more than anything.

OP posts:
billybagpuss · 18/07/2018 20:45

Thats one stressed out young lady :(

You are doing everything right so don't panic she will grow up, this will pass, probably after the results have been received.

Will 'cool uncle' pay for everything and support her or will he expect a contribution to the household? If possible I'd have a chat with him and request the latter.

I have had similar things with mine although not as extreme. The way I've found best to handle it, path of least resistance. Offer no money, if they need something from you make them ask and justify it.

And probably most important. Make no judgment.

Mum I bought Nandos today
You: thats nice dear what did you have?
Mum I don't have any money for holiday
You: Thats a shame, what are you going to do? sorry I can't help I have a particularly large electricity bill to pay this month (due to you leaving the emersion on when you went off to uni and nobody realising as no one else ever goes into that cupboard, oops sorry me not you there)

The only thing though I would absolutely draw the line at. I would not take her to work with you again, that behaviour is completely unacceptable as it undermines your livelihood and if she wants that opportunity again she needs to regain your trust.

Thesearepearls · 18/07/2018 20:47

I have (or should I say had, in the past tense) an unreasonable daughter.

She arsed around during a levels such that the results she obtained were ridiculous. She would never do chores and every request was a request for money.

She went to university and grew up. She saw her brother get into Cambridge when she struggled to get into a good university because her a levels were so poor. We won’t give her any more money than she should have. And I’m so happy with DD now. She’s kindly, she chips in, she’s taking her studies seriously and she’s more than once apologised for being such a massive waste of space.

Just give your DD time. You might be pleasantly surprised...

Zaphodsotherhead · 18/07/2018 20:48

I second the friendly loving text message along the lines of 'sorry to see you go, you're always welcome to pop back, by the way now you don't live here any more I can't pay for your phone/bus pass/food, so you may need to make arrangements for these to be covered.'

Then go very very quiet. I estimate it will take her around two weeks to come back. She might not apologise directly, but she may go very meek for a while.

Idontmeanto · 18/07/2018 20:50

Yes, she probably is stressed and scared. Have a word with the uncle about how he can support both of you without undermining you I.e. sympathetic place to stay but please don’t give her money or wait on her.

Have you talked about how you’ll support her through uni and done a budget so her expectations are realistic?
Is she scared of going away with friends and was trying to sabotage her passport?
Let her fail. Then sympathetically help her learn from it. She’ll cringe about it all when she’s older.