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Social Worker/Foster Care/Section 20

34 replies

MrsJonSno · 15/07/2018 22:26

Sorry it’s long, please read and advise if you can. I don’t know enough about this area to know if I’m being U or not, I don’t think I am but would like experienced and unbiased opinions first before I do anything...

Backstory. My 13 year olds dd is generally lovely. Never been in trouble at school or with police, no troubles really at home. We are normal family, two nice kids, no issues, no previous involvement with Children’s Services. I work in education as a qualified professional.

6 months ago my daughter was being bullied. Daily insults and threats etc. All reported again and again. She was then assaulted suddenly and violently at school. Bully admitted it, police involved. School less than helpful. Daughter lost all confidence, anxious, upset, lost friends. I pulled her out and she has new school to start in September.

She’s been upset and angry and different since. She’s smart and switched on and yet has started taking risks and not caring. She’s gone missing 6 times in 3 months- firstly just overnight with mates locally but then the last three incidents have been over the last week and she’s been to the coast then London. Admitted drinking alcohol and meeting random people at a beach party with friends and crashing at their place etc. Each time I’ve reported her to police, given appropriate consequences, spent extra time with her, offered to talk etc. She has no phone or access to money due to the above incidents and trying to stop her having access to travel and making going missing far more boring with no cash. I’ve even tried locking her in. She keeps leaving and refuses to come back or stay with family. Says she’s wants to be away from everyone and will run away if taken back. No particular reason given. She has a nice life, nice family ans nice home.

I called Children’s Services after the first
two times and referred myself. Social Worker visited and agreed she needed counselling etc and said a Child In Need plan would be best as it would allow for access to services. I agreed. Report was made about me, our family and home- all positive. Heard nothing since, for 5 weeks. Chased it up and told not sorted yet, referrals not made as takes time.

This last week has been hell for me. The worst week of my life. She’s like a different child and I’ve not been able to sleep or eat. Felt like a zombie, sick and worried she would be found dead somewhere. Police found her locally and took her into Police Protection at my request as she was a danger to herself. Social Worker said he’d chase up the referrals from before and have a meeting with Missing Persons dept of Police to decide what next. Fab.

I get a call to be told I can’t speak to her. She’s taken to the Police Station then to a Emergency foster carer. I’m baffled and shocked of course. I assume the worse and think she must have made some serious false allegation against me and I make calls all evening but get shut down.

The next morning I go to the council children’s services building in desperation. I’m told no allegations have been made, they have no concerns about my parenting and the report states I am a “good mum”
our home is a nice environment, good parenting etc. But that foster care has been decided. Other services likes counselling will come only once she’s settled. I object, ask for reasons and ask to speak to the manager. I then spend 5 hours there. Being pressured into signing a section 20 voluntary care agreement. They told me she’d be placed near her new school (so no intentions of her coming home before Sept) and the only reason given is that a foster carer may be more firm. I explain my discipline methods etc and they agree all fine only other option is physical intervention which a foster carer doesn’t have authority to use anyway. I work with children and I’ve even recently completed a course in child behaviour management. It was totally surreal and I honestly felt like I was going to cry or scream or faint. Tiny hot room with them over and over saying sign sign sign. I asked for some time to think and they kept saying they have already contacted their legal department, which I replied I know what that means, if I don’t sign they’ll go immediately for an emergency court order. I don’t know too much about Section 20’s but I’m sure the SW are supposed to ensure you are told you can take legal advice, not make you feel pressured and also they told me it would mean the LA share Parental Responsibility- I thought this wasn’t true at all? Anyway. I kept it together and insisted on time to go for a walk and think.

I made some calls and my sister and mother both offered to have my daughter with them. I explained this when I got back and said both are local and have spare rooms, my sister is a police officer and they both babe a good relationship with her. SW declined and said they’d need to run checks on family and meet and vet them first so I had to sign Section 20 for foster care for the time being. By this point I’d been there 5 hours!!!

Then they left the room. The SW returned 20 mins later and said his manager (head of children’s services dept) had spoken to him and she agreed with me that my daughter doesn’t need to be in foster care and what we need is support and help for her which should have been in place already and they’ve let us down by not getting the child in need plan in place sooner. He then brought my daughter in (she’d been there he whole time in another room for 5 hours too not offered so much a snack!) and he said we were free to leave and go home. I wasn’t sure whether to laugh or cry.

They put me through total hell for nothing. How can they go from one extreme to the other?!! I’ve since found out they were recently judged by Ofsted as required improvement and seriously failing. So my AIBU is- AIBU to make a formal complaint? Do I have the grounds to? Am i wrong about their treatment of me about the Section 20 being totally wrong?

Thanks in advance!

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TheRealKimmySchmidt63 · 15/07/2018 22:33

Wow I've no helpful suggestion to add but sorry to hear what you n your family have been through Thanks

SadTrombone · 15/07/2018 22:36

YADNBU
Bumping in the hope someone will be able to come along with some good advice for you OP as I'm afraid I've got nothing but FlowersWine xxx

ChangeofName911 · 15/07/2018 22:39

I hope things get better for you, your daughter and your family OP.

DailyMailReadersAreThick · 15/07/2018 22:44

This sounds so stressful AND bizarre. I actually breathed a sigh of relief when I got to the part where she was returned to you.

But I have to say, I don't think I would complain in your shoes. Sounds like the appropriate authorities already know these people aren't competent, and they are being watched. I would worry that a complaint would make them try to make life difficult for you.

Ziggzagg · 15/07/2018 22:46

Definitely make a formal complaint! From what you say has happened they would not have had any grounds for a legal order unless they had some reason to believe you could not safeguard her. Ask for the complaints procedure, which you should already have had. Good luck.

RedHelenB · 15/07/2018 22:48

I think yout first concern is to keep your daughter safe. Maybe that 5 hours will shake your daughter up enough to stop her disappearing?

gildashairflick · 15/07/2018 22:52

Is she at risk of or experiencing CSE? A lot of what you post suggests that. Emergency foster place feels extreme but if she says she will do x if she's returned home they need to asses her risk and wait until the cold light of a business working day to decide the best action. It does feel very CSE in nature. Ask what risk assessments have been done specific to this. I hope it's not that. Good luck x

gildashairflick · 15/07/2018 22:53

Oh and as a missing young person she should have access to a 'return' interview to ascertain what she is running from or equally what she is running to

gildashairflick · 15/07/2018 22:54

Sorry, last thing section 20 is a voluntary arrangement - you don't have to agree but if it gives her and you space and time it may not be a bad thing x

kirta · 15/07/2018 22:57

Really sorry about the stressful situation. It sounds like they handled the case terribly. It's hard to know their motivations without their information.
I would consider getting some legal representation and advice about the s20 you signed. You should no way be pressured into that without the full facts.
Can I ask if there are concerns that your daughter is being exploited in some way? The periods of missing can be one of the signs, especially to places away from the local area. The coast for example. Does she return home with money/gifts/clothes/phones etc? I'm just wondering if social care are worried about this, and then clumsily tried to disrupt by the course of action they took? The NSPCC offer some excellent advice if you give them a call. Hope all works out for the best.

kirta · 15/07/2018 22:57

Cross post with @gildashairflick

FASH84 · 15/07/2018 23:00

You don't have to sign a s.20 but they could prices to child protection and legal removal of you don't. In my experience she sounds at risk of CSE and they will place her in a different address to remove her from the potential risk area or group. Emergency foster could be for a few days, or longer. You need to have a long chat with the SW Monday and find out exactly where the risk is coming from. Who else had contact with her in your home or in your close network, could she have made an allegation about someone? That or CSE are the likely reasons. The missing incidents and if she's spending time with other vulnerable young people and or those who could pose a risk to her, are involved in organised crime/exploitation, she would score highly enough on a SERAF assessment to warrant an emergency s.20 until services resume tomorrow and a full risk assessment is completed.

FASH84 · 15/07/2018 23:02

Sorry for the typos

imsoboredwithitall · 15/07/2018 23:05

Because they are incompetent arseholes

Devilishpyjamas · 15/07/2018 23:06

Our son became a looked after child aged 17 due to disability (needed 2:1 care & moved into a residential home) but we retained full parental responsibility.

I would put in an official complaint and I would copy the MP into the complaint. It sounds as if they need to actually hold a case review into what happened as it all sounds very wrong.

Have you been able to access CAMHS? It sounds as if your daughter needs proper MH support, not discipline provided by a foster career!!

FASH84 · 15/07/2018 23:06

OP your focus shouldn't be on the complaint or not. Your daughter is displaying clear signs of being very at risk and you don't even know why she is running or who she is with and what danger she is in. The s.20 may well have been appropriate. Children's services often don't get the ratings because they miss arbitrary timelines for paperwork because of underresourcing, rather than because they over estimate the risk a child is facing.

FASH84 · 15/07/2018 23:08

A lot of people on here are clouded by personal opinion, experience and bias, please listen to the PPs who have highlighted the risks and show knowledge of the processes. You priority need to be your daughter and speaking with the social worker first thing Monday. They are very concerned about her with good reason.

WhataMistakeaToMakea · 15/07/2018 23:08

Hi op that sounds completely wrong (I'm a manager in children's services) and section 20 is a voluntary arrangement. There has been a lot of criticism of local authorities by courts over the use of it and we now have to be very clear and careful about giving parents full information and making sure it is true consent. You cannot use section 20 as blackmail against legal action. I cannot even think what they were doing and why this scenario would have happened so I would definately think you should request an explanation and what procedure they were following etc even if you don't want to make a formal complaint. If this happens again you have the right to say no to section 20 and seek legal advice if you are unsure or feel it's not the right thing for your daughter.

WhataMistakeaToMakea · 15/07/2018 23:10

It does however sound like you need some support as a family so I hope this happens

MrsJonSno · 15/07/2018 23:11

Thank you all for your responses. I’m a single parent so there’s nobody else in the household here. I originally suggested I was concerned she’d be at risk of CSE because of her totally reckless behaviour and drinking alcohol. Lots of my family work with children and a few are Police Officers so she’s well aware of risks etc and always has been, she’s just taking the risk she anyway which sort of makes it even worse and more worrying. As far as we know from return home interviews etc she hasn’t actually suffered any harm as such, but has put herself at risk of harm. No allegations against anyone have been made by her at all- I have been assured of this.

Since she’s been home she’s been very quiet and has slept for ages- catching up on the last week. I’ve taken tomorrow off so we are off out for lunch and a chat.

I didn’t ever actually sign the Section 20. Thankfully. If I had she’d be in foster care now as the head of dept would never have known. I’m going to call the SW Monday and have a chat and perhaps speak to the Head of Department who overruled him and agreed with me.

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mamasiz · 15/07/2018 23:12

OP, I’m a social worker and what you’ve described here is awful. I’m so sorry you went through that. A lot of mistakes were made in the handling of the situation by children’s services. I hope you are being better supported now.

MrsJonSno · 15/07/2018 23:13

Whatamistakeatomakea thank you. Can I ask if I’m correct in that a voluntary Section 20 doesn’t give the LA Parental Responsibility? They (SW and his Manager) repeatedly said it did and they needed shared PR as they’d be arranging counselling and CAMHS etc but that they’d keep me informed about it all.

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boloriabullet · 15/07/2018 23:16

I am so sorry you and your daughter are going through this... if you are trained education professional you will probably have already thought about this - but I'll say it anyway. Your daughters behaviour is screaming CSE to me - it sounds very much like someone has recognised she is vulnerable (being bullied, moving schools) and have groomed and exploited her. I know that's hard to hear but I don't think you are getting the full story from her. I hope you work it out and sorry for the somewhat brief post but I am in work. Sending you lots of love x

WhataMistakeaToMakea · 15/07/2018 23:21

No they wouldn't share pr. They don't need pr to refer to counselling or camhs anyway! Do you have any kind of banardos BASE service near you? They work with young people at risk of cse and have been great with some of our young people

LewisFan · 15/07/2018 23:28

S20 does not give shared PR - they'd needed to have gone to Court for that.

I've no idea why they've been so utterly unprofessional - definitely follow it up (another SW here)