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AIBU?

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Social Worker/Foster Care/Section 20

34 replies

MrsJonSno · 15/07/2018 22:26

Sorry it’s long, please read and advise if you can. I don’t know enough about this area to know if I’m being U or not, I don’t think I am but would like experienced and unbiased opinions first before I do anything...

Backstory. My 13 year olds dd is generally lovely. Never been in trouble at school or with police, no troubles really at home. We are normal family, two nice kids, no issues, no previous involvement with Children’s Services. I work in education as a qualified professional.

6 months ago my daughter was being bullied. Daily insults and threats etc. All reported again and again. She was then assaulted suddenly and violently at school. Bully admitted it, police involved. School less than helpful. Daughter lost all confidence, anxious, upset, lost friends. I pulled her out and she has new school to start in September.

She’s been upset and angry and different since. She’s smart and switched on and yet has started taking risks and not caring. She’s gone missing 6 times in 3 months- firstly just overnight with mates locally but then the last three incidents have been over the last week and she’s been to the coast then London. Admitted drinking alcohol and meeting random people at a beach party with friends and crashing at their place etc. Each time I’ve reported her to police, given appropriate consequences, spent extra time with her, offered to talk etc. She has no phone or access to money due to the above incidents and trying to stop her having access to travel and making going missing far more boring with no cash. I’ve even tried locking her in. She keeps leaving and refuses to come back or stay with family. Says she’s wants to be away from everyone and will run away if taken back. No particular reason given. She has a nice life, nice family ans nice home.

I called Children’s Services after the first
two times and referred myself. Social Worker visited and agreed she needed counselling etc and said a Child In Need plan would be best as it would allow for access to services. I agreed. Report was made about me, our family and home- all positive. Heard nothing since, for 5 weeks. Chased it up and told not sorted yet, referrals not made as takes time.

This last week has been hell for me. The worst week of my life. She’s like a different child and I’ve not been able to sleep or eat. Felt like a zombie, sick and worried she would be found dead somewhere. Police found her locally and took her into Police Protection at my request as she was a danger to herself. Social Worker said he’d chase up the referrals from before and have a meeting with Missing Persons dept of Police to decide what next. Fab.

I get a call to be told I can’t speak to her. She’s taken to the Police Station then to a Emergency foster carer. I’m baffled and shocked of course. I assume the worse and think she must have made some serious false allegation against me and I make calls all evening but get shut down.

The next morning I go to the council children’s services building in desperation. I’m told no allegations have been made, they have no concerns about my parenting and the report states I am a “good mum”
our home is a nice environment, good parenting etc. But that foster care has been decided. Other services likes counselling will come only once she’s settled. I object, ask for reasons and ask to speak to the manager. I then spend 5 hours there. Being pressured into signing a section 20 voluntary care agreement. They told me she’d be placed near her new school (so no intentions of her coming home before Sept) and the only reason given is that a foster carer may be more firm. I explain my discipline methods etc and they agree all fine only other option is physical intervention which a foster carer doesn’t have authority to use anyway. I work with children and I’ve even recently completed a course in child behaviour management. It was totally surreal and I honestly felt like I was going to cry or scream or faint. Tiny hot room with them over and over saying sign sign sign. I asked for some time to think and they kept saying they have already contacted their legal department, which I replied I know what that means, if I don’t sign they’ll go immediately for an emergency court order. I don’t know too much about Section 20’s but I’m sure the SW are supposed to ensure you are told you can take legal advice, not make you feel pressured and also they told me it would mean the LA share Parental Responsibility- I thought this wasn’t true at all? Anyway. I kept it together and insisted on time to go for a walk and think.

I made some calls and my sister and mother both offered to have my daughter with them. I explained this when I got back and said both are local and have spare rooms, my sister is a police officer and they both babe a good relationship with her. SW declined and said they’d need to run checks on family and meet and vet them first so I had to sign Section 20 for foster care for the time being. By this point I’d been there 5 hours!!!

Then they left the room. The SW returned 20 mins later and said his manager (head of children’s services dept) had spoken to him and she agreed with me that my daughter doesn’t need to be in foster care and what we need is support and help for her which should have been in place already and they’ve let us down by not getting the child in need plan in place sooner. He then brought my daughter in (she’d been there he whole time in another room for 5 hours too not offered so much a snack!) and he said we were free to leave and go home. I wasn’t sure whether to laugh or cry.

They put me through total hell for nothing. How can they go from one extreme to the other?!! I’ve since found out they were recently judged by Ofsted as required improvement and seriously failing. So my AIBU is- AIBU to make a formal complaint? Do I have the grounds to? Am i wrong about their treatment of me about the Section 20 being totally wrong?

Thanks in advance!

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Devilishpyjamas · 15/07/2018 23:29

If you’re at all concerned after talking to SW etc & maybe even anyway, I’d follow up conversations by email OP & copy in relevant people (head of children’s services/MP for info - you don’t need to ask them to do anything - it just means ime that things get dealt with properly).

incywincybitofa · 15/07/2018 23:32

A complaint doesn't have to be immediate it takes time and emotional energy to pursue a complaint like that And maybe right now you have neither to spare
I hope your lunch goes well tomorrow and your daughter can get what help she needs.
Can you afford to access private therapy I only ask because our CAMHs is bone dry st the moment and professionals are being asked not to refer.

helloBuddy · 15/07/2018 23:37

A section 20 means you'd have shared parental responsibility with children's social care. It's strange that the went for that in these circumstances as it would cost them more (the funding is usual what it's about) and it's quiet clear you need some support within the family and not by removing her from your care. I'd avoid as much as you can this happening as it'll have a more detrimental affect on her in the long run. Have you tried the GP for a referral to mental health services? It can take time but worth a try. Also I'm not sure what area you're in but you can usually self refer for Counselling, this is funded but again takes time.

Children's social care is horrendously understaffed and often get poor Inspection reports.

MrsJonSno · 16/07/2018 00:06

Thanks everyone.

Just to say. We’ve indentfied that she’s been with a certain other child every time they do go missing. A young girl same age. We’ve verified with a few parents where they have been staying (local school friends/same age/with parents present etc) so we are fairly sure she hasn’t been harmed YET but the concern is of course the risk she is putting her self in and that something serious like sexual exploitation or drugs etc could happen. I am very aware of the serious risks out there and very concerned. Me and the other girl’s parents have been in touch to try and ensure they don’t contact each other for now. It’s making me sick with worry. We have a GP appointment tomorrow (SW said it’s quicker to get a referral for counselling with an extra request not just via them) and I’m looking into paying for private counselling as it’s likely to take months otherwise it seems.

The SW proposed a local foster placement, near to her school (which is local to home) so it wasn’t to get her out of the area. We have family in different areas too so if that was the plan there were known safe family places she could stay.

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MrsJonSno · 16/07/2018 00:13

Hellobuddy- I’m getting different info with regards to this. The SW and his manager told me repeatedly that this Section 20 will give the LA shared/joint PR but from what I’ve read online that’s not correct and that only a Court Order gives the LA shared PR. So confused.

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Uncreative · 16/07/2018 01:41

Make a formal complaint. If you had not been strong enough to resist the pressure they put on you, your daughter would have been put in care without the head of department knowing (and he agreed it wasn’t necessary). Ask for the social worker to receive supervision or retraining and ask for a new social worker for your case. Also, complain that she was held there for 5 hours without food and water. What the hell were they thinking?

I hope all of this works out for you Flowers

Ziggzagg · 16/07/2018 06:21

@MrsJonSno @helloBuddy

I'm a Social Worker- S.20 DOES NOT give the local authority any PR. The parent retains full rights and responsibility for the child. The parent gets final say on decisions made in respect of the child and can withdraw their consent at any time.

OP- FWIW most teens go through a phase of experimenting with alcohol and don't really consider the risks to them whilst under the influence and a few take it to the extreme (staying out, behavior changes, secrecy).

As well as counselling addressing the bullying, please ask for a piece of Keep Safe work to be completed to educate your dd around the risks of going missing and using alcohol. I know we like to think they know because of ours/families jobs but sitting down with someone outside of the family, qualified to deliver that work can have a huge impact!

I would still say complain, you and your dd were treated appallingly and the social worker clearly needs more training at the very least! Don't ever sign S.20 without seeking legal advice. That is the first thing I tell parents if we are asking them to sign, to take it to a solicitor and I will be happy to wait until they have done so!

Good luck I hope your dd is ok and I'm sure you will get through this, you sound like a lovely Mum.

Lostthefairytale · 16/07/2018 06:47

Section 20 can in no circumstances give the Local authority PR. However i’m wondering if it is “police protection” bit which they haven’t explained which has led to the confusion from you and them. Police are the only agency that have the power to remove your child from your care against your will without a court order. When police take police protection it is for a very limited period of time 72 hours I think. It is then duty of the local authority to find that child a placement. So my assumption from the events you described is that they believed she needed to be accommodated so we’re acting on that basis.

BUT regardless if the reason for the confusion I would make a complaint as it sounds like the situation was seriously mishandled. As a educated person who has a good awareness of risk and your child’s needs you felt bullied and pressured. Imagine you were a parent without the same internal and external resources.

I say that as an experienced social worker. There are ways that things should be handled and if they aren’T it should be challenged.

helloBuddy · 16/07/2018 06:56

@Ziggzagg I work with LAC (not for the LA but funded by them) and I'm really surprised LA does not share PR as this is how it is always told to us. If fact I'm shocked by this as SS make a lot of decisions for those on a s.20 that they probably shouldn't without parents knowledge. It's good to know for future reference.

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