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To be this cautious of my neighbours?

64 replies

magnificentblue · 13/07/2018 12:36

NC for this because they’d definitely be able to tell it’s me.

I live in the middle of a little row of terraced houses. It is a quiet area and we never get any kind of trouble. My neighbours to the right of me (a couple) appear to be excessively security conscious. They have a German Shepard guard dog that barks at the tiniest sounds or movement in the day and at night (for probably about 50% of the time constantly) and it’s very aggressive. They have two CCTV cameras on the front pointing in the same direction as each other (neither at their door, never understood this) which I’m pretty sure cover some if not all of my front garden. We have a shared wide driveway and access to the back of the houses sort of going round from one end of the terrace. It’s so hard to explain the layout but most of us use it daily either in a car or on foot. They have a very inconspicuous tiny camera facing away from their house on their boundary wall of the shared driveway at the back. It covers the driveway and not any of their garden, gate or house. As far as I’m aware this is highly illegal as you cannot have CCTV that doesn’t cover your property. They do not have any signs stating they have CCTV and the one at the back is so hidden it would be hard for most people to notice. It’s also really close to me when I walk past so they would have a very clear close up image of everyone.

It makes me feel sick that I can’t have a private life. They know when I leave and exit my house, who is in it and when, even down to what supermarket I go to if they pay that much attention. I can’t even put the bin out without knowing they’re probably watching me. I have to cover my toddler with a blanket whenever passing the cameras because I don’t know who or what they might be. I don’t want someone to have images of my child. It’s got to the point where I don’t leave the house unless I really need to it’s awful. They are nosy busybodies and are at home all day every day. I can’t use my back garden because every time I go out there the wife watches me from their open bathroom window. They’re just so creepy I hate to imagine how many of us they watch and what is done with the footage.

Now some may think I’m being a bit over the top but they have exhibited very hostile and downright bizarre behaviour the whole time I’ve been here. I think it’s because I’m young (25). They’ve done stuff like cut down all the trees and kill the flowers in both my front and back garden when I was on holiday. They always stare me down until I leave their sight and give me horrific looks as if I killed their entire family. I have ironically never spoken to them apart from the generic first ‘you alright’ when moving in.

I have an email drafted to the correct authorities about the cameras. It’s gone past the point of being able to speak to them about it first. I just want the camera over the shared driveway to be removed so I can at least exit out my house one way and not been seen. Why can’t people just have respect for others privacy I’m so stressed and it’s not good for my little girlSad

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magnificentblue · 13/07/2018 12:45

Leave and enter* so tiredBlush

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chillpizza · 13/07/2018 12:50

Regarding the cctv unless it points into your windows/private garden they are not breaking the law. They are allowed to capture their own property/public roads and paths and that would include a shared driveway as they part own it. Not sure if they need a sign or not by law for personal use but we have one regaurdess Just incase. Ours are angled in such a way that the only thing that’s not public or ours that it captures is fencing. They should change the angle or cover the part that captures your garden.

Neverender · 13/07/2018 12:51

Send the email - if they don't get rid of it buy a big fake CCTV camera and point it right at their house

Atlantea · 13/07/2018 13:03

I can’t even put the bin out without knowing they’re probably watching me. I have to cover my toddler with a blanket whenever passing the cameras because I don’t know who or what they might be. I don’t want someone to have images of my child

what do you think they are going to do with the images?

send the email & buy a fake camera

Atlantea · 13/07/2018 13:03

oh, and glare back at them if you dont already

Aridane · 13/07/2018 13:08

Sorry - a dog that barks HALF THE NIGHT?

Aridane · 13/07/2018 13:09

You are being silly about covering your baby - but killing your plants???

FannyFifer · 13/07/2018 13:10

Knock the tiny camera off the wall & break it.

chillpizza · 13/07/2018 13:14

Killing the plants is criminal damage and you should of reported it. The barking dog needs to be reported to the noise department.

Not sure why you cover your child with a blanket, do you do that in Tesco? Walking down the road? There is cctv everywhere that you won’t even know about and people taking photos who could catch you in the background.

Don’t break one of their cameras that would be criminal damage which if they like covert cameras they would likely catch you at it too.

NewYearNewMe18 · 13/07/2018 13:15

They are allowed to capture their own property/public roads and paths and that would include a shared driveway as they part own it

Public roads? I don't think so. One of our neighbours was told re-angle his CCTV as it captured the park gates on the other side of the road. In no uncertain terms he was told it breaches Data Protection.

The third and fifth principle would apply:

www.cctv-information.co.uk/i/The_Data_Protection_Act_and_CCTV

Emmasmum2013 · 13/07/2018 13:20

Is this real? It seems like an odd situation.

How do you know it was them that did that to your plants and trees? Why did you not speak to them at that point?
Why have you not done anything about the barking dog?
As another PP said, you and your child are caught on camera all over the place.

callmeadoctor · 13/07/2018 13:22

Interesting, I have CCTV on my garden running all the time. In 10 years I have never looked at anything. If I was burgled then I would check on it. Do you really think the neighbours are looking at their CCTV all the time? Surely you should be happy that there is security around?

GruffaIo · 13/07/2018 13:22

You are allowed to capture public roads - people have no reasonable expectation of privacy. That's why the police often appeal for people with CCTV to come forward. (- If it wasn't lawful / legal, no-one would admit to having any helpful CCTV!)

The interesting question is why they're so security-conscious - have they been burgled? - moved from a high crime area? - are they drug dealers?

chillpizza · 13/07/2018 13:34

We are told public roads/footpaths are fine as there is no expectation of privacy. We checked this with the police and a professional cctv installer before ours where installed.

In fact when thefts or damage has happened police have asked all of us with cctv to check to see if we caught anything of value to them on our cameras.

Plannergirl9 · 13/07/2018 13:39

They potentially needed planning permission for their cameras. It would be worth speaking to your local planning office.

thegreatbeyond · 13/07/2018 13:42

I thought drug dealers, too!

c3pu · 13/07/2018 13:42

I have a single camera that covers the front of my house. Honestly, there's very very little of interest that it actually captures, and I certainly don't have the time or inclination to review the incredibly humdrum footage.

I'd be surprised if anybody did, especially if they have multiple cameras.

onlyjustme · 13/07/2018 13:44

It makes me feel sick that I can’t have a private life. They know when I leave and exit my house, who is in it and when, even down to what supermarket I go to if they pay that much attention

The neighbours probably don't care about you as much as you think they do!
Do you have a mobile phone OP?
A bank card?
There are others who really ARE following you...

chillpizza · 13/07/2018 13:46

I don’t know anyone who checks theirs regularly. Only if an appeal goes out or if something has obviously happened to their house/car. I haven’t got the time to sit there and watch many cameras worth of footage Just for The fun of it.

magnificentblue · 13/07/2018 13:52

It’s not a public road it’s a shared driveway behind the terrace which we all use and is private property to all of us. It’s very much real unfortunately, I can take photos of the camera at the back to show better what I mean about where it’s pointing but that would definitely out me. I’ve done a lot of research on the laws surrounding domestic CCTV and it clearly states you cannot have it capturing outside your property (i.e pointing into a neighbours garden or up our shared drive). Public highways are always a tricky area as quite a lot of cameras do cover the pavement in front of their house but you have to show to authorities that you are desposing of the footage correctly and not abusing the use of the system. I’m pretty sure you’re meant to have a license I’m not sure. I also read somewhere that if you don’t have a sign up the footage would not be admissable if it was needed in court for a crime. Not sure if this is true or not. Either way they should definitely have signage so they’re breaking the law there.

As for hiding my child’s face. Her father is absent (he’s horrific but that’s a different kettle of fish) and he is related to them in some distant way. He could ask them for images of me and her. And also people that have access to CCTV in businesses are usually always hopefully DBS checked and wouldn’t be doing anything untoward with footage of children.

I don’t have a problem with their CCTV at the front of the house, I’d Just like some privacy! I complained to the council about the dog and their behaviour they said it was a civil issue and to involve the police if I feel like I need to. Also to go to the RSPCA about the dog. My council is pretty useless. I’m going to send the email to ICO. I’ve requested that they do a spontaneous check if possible so they don’t have time to delete footage. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were stuff saved for my child’s dad to look at. I’m entitled to get the footage of myself aren’t I?

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Myotherusernameisbest · 13/07/2018 13:53

I doubt they are sitting there watching it. That is if its even real cctv and not a fake camera.

I really don't get why you cover your toddler with a blanket when you leave the house. Are you famous or something?

magnificentblue · 13/07/2018 13:54

It’s not so much them watching me it’s the fact I can’t leave my own property in any direction without being captured on CCTV

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magnificentblue · 13/07/2018 13:55

They’re definitely real and night vision ones, they light up red circles in the lenses

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Myotherusernameisbest · 13/07/2018 13:59

cross posted.

If your ex knows where you live though and wanted pictures of his child surely he would just turn up and take pictures? If you didnt want any cctv of your child you'd have to stay indoors as its literally everywhere these days. If it was your garden I could see your point but its your driveway.

Also why do you live next door to your ex's relatives if he is a threat to your child?

TBH footage of you moving a child in and out of your house covered in a blanket is not going to look good if the police needed that footage for anything is it. You could be smuggling children for all they know. Obvs youre not, but it could look that way if they decided to be nasty.

chillpizza · 13/07/2018 13:59

I think you will find there is a lot more cctv down your street than you are aware of. Just in one small section of our street you would be picked up by about 6 houses only two of them you would be aware of.

As long as you follow correct protocols and as of yet you don’t need to register by law and have a genuine reason. The advise online is very different depending on where you read which is why your best bet would be to speak to the pcso for your area and get their advise as to what breaches they have. You could find it’s not even plugged in. Our old cctv was up but not on for years until someone realised and vandalised our property.