why are lefties protesting trump not president (dictator) xi of china when he came here for a state visit despite in china many human rights violations

[silversfish]

i actually know the answer because xi is a leftist

Its just a troll sucking at your brain. Ignore

On one level I agree. The word "leftist" gives it away, it's one invented by the er.."rightists"?

In the Australian press, Andrew Bolt and Rita Panahi use this expression, and give it a capital letter as if it was a political party. I've written to them to not do it it makes them come over as illiterate, but for some reason they ignore me and continue to sound thick as pig-shit.

But then they have Murdoch to please. Twats.

Just a sovbot. Don't waste energy on it.

just to be clear xi is left wing in china 'the government owns the country’s biggest companies – what Lenin referred to as the “commanding heights of the economy” – the banks, energy and transport sectors.

The private sector in China, which contributes a greater percentage of GDP than the state sector, is still very receptive to the state – and China isn’t classed as a market economy by the World Trade Organisation, in part because of how much the state intervenes.'

Conversely please explain @silversfish why Trump should be lauded when he makes stuff up and thinks it’s acceptable grab a woman’s “pussy”? err i never said he should be lauded i just commented on the difference trump gets as opposed to other objectively worse people such as xi

In my opinion, Trump is in the same category as Thatcher- someone with no morals or compassion, self centered with a huge ego regardless of the lives they destroy to satisfy their own agenda.

OP, your post is what's called 'whataboutism'. The point here - and the great difference between him and the other statesmen (who were protested, but you've been told that) - is that Trump is within our own culture already, which is what he is aiming to destroy. Erdogan, Xi, Saudis, all bad, no doubt, but this man is destroying us from the inside.

People know who Trump is and they know what he says and thinks. Most people couldn't pick Xi out of a photo line up.

Trump is a media figure whose discretions are very openly known. China is a restrictive state where the reality of what is going on is hidden.

Its not about left or right, its about visibility.

@silversfish you are just like those people who say that it is hypocritical to do one (or many for that matter) things to protect the environment if you don't go completely zero waste and vegan. There are many issues to be solved in this world and we all have a limited amount of time and resources.

I don't have time to protest Trump today, but that doesn't mean I am not entitled to protest the next unfair war or the next twat to come to Britain.

But in a way Trump being elected is not all bad. It has made a lot of women and people from other ethnic groups than Trump's ethnich group run for office. I think that is good for America in the long run. I just hope that it will be enough to compensate for the bad things he is doing.

I also decided to finally do something for other women and donated two sacks of clothes to a women's shelter. I do often donate to charity but I was very sad to find out that the two donkey shelters in Britain get more funding than all the women's shelters put together and now I finally did something to help them. I think it is a problem for the women's shelters, that they primarily get help from women who have needed them previously. If the rest of us also helped occasionnaly, it would make a lot of difference.

And I hope this input from me doesn't derail the thread.

@silversfish

Objectively by whose standards? Your own?

Trump was met by huge protests. Other people protested against other leaders who have visited and been courted.

So not sure what your beef is with “lefties”. And if you think only “lefties”
protest against trump because of his right wing politics, as opposed to his sexism, racism, offensive behaviour towards the disabled etc etc - well what does that say about the right?

Thanks Vickie et al. It just drives me absolutely mad to hear his administration described as generally good so far. It's really only generally good if you're a straight, white, relatively wealthy person (pref man) who lacks empathy.

And for a note, I (mostly) didn't list the stuff that was up for real partisan disagreement, like cutting funding for the National Endowment for the Arts, his Supreme Court picks, etc. By and large, all of those items are things that do/should appall both Democrats and Republicans. Except the tax cuts because Paul Ryan and his ilkdid would sell their souls for bigger tax cuts and cuts to Medicare/Medicaid/etc.

I notice OP hasn't even bothered to correct themselves that there were protests when Xi visited.

"Lefties", "Leftists"🙄

Daily Mail reader bore who thinks trotting out these terms like the rest of their cloned sheep actually makes them sound clever😴

If you're so bothered Silversfish, then why don't you tell us about when you went out on the streets lone protestor against Xi? The driving rain & freezing cold & baffled looks by onlookers were very stressful, I suppose. Sorry if you felt unsupported, but still you don't get to choose what other people care about. Doesn't work like that.

Many of the posters I saw at yesterday's protest event (far out of London) were about cages, I didn't notice the words fascist or fascism.

@Kursk I've always thought that. It's like a bandwagon isn't it?

Aside from all his faults listed here and otherwise, I just can't get over how monumentally stupid he is. Much like his fans.

Call Trump what you like. Agree or disagree with his views, but I think all the demonstrations are a complete waste of time, made by people, who have nothing better to do with their lives. Is it going to change anything? No!

I am sick to death of every time they interview one of these morons, they insist WE don't want Trump here, speak for yourselves, NOT the whole country. I don't particularly like Mr Trump, but he is the President of the USA, and we need him as an ally, that's not to say we have to kowtow to him, but we need at least to act like an intelligent country, that can have an intelligent relationship with other countries, without having to have futile inane demonstrations.....

Rant over.....

I don't they're futile or inane at all. They might not change things in the immediate term, but it makes it clear to people that not everyone is accepting of what's happening

Like this poem, which was written by the German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller:

First they came for the Communists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Protests are about people speaking.

I am familiar with the poem, and it's meaning. I just don't agree with the fact, that they give the impression they are speaking for all citizens of the UK. There are times in our lives when we have to bite our tongues, because we know we can do more good by doing so. I agree protests are all about free speech, and showing that we disagree, with certain aspects of life, but not when the person you are protesting about couldn't give a shit.

But it's not just about that person giving a shit. It's about demonstrating to other people that there's a different view. If no-one protests, then there's a danger that those who disagree believe no-one else shares their view.

Why should a demonstration/protest suggest that it's speaking for all the citizens of the UK? There have been lots of demonstrations or protests that don't reflect my view, but that's fine! It's about another way of thinking. And sometimes that might challenge an entrenched view and make people think, which surely is a good thing?

I think it is simply that we expect better of the USA.

he is the President of the USA, and we need him as an ally,

If you think Trump is our ally then you are deluded.

Trump is not our ally. He knows we need a trade deal with the US but it will be on his terms not ours. With Trump around we will not get a good deal. He changes his mind, disputes what he has says and prefers to treat everyone as an enemy.