To think it's not negoSSSiate

[Alpanini]

Have you ever met anyone who says negosssiate instead of negoshiate in real life? If so, do they also say situasssion instead of sitchuation? And mensssion for mentchion? It's weird, right? Bothers me every time I watch the news. And don't get me started on Breggsit.

I do.

I say “iSSSue” not “ishoo” too.

And “tiSSSue”, not “tishoo”.

But it is negosssiate...

Out of interest, where are you from? I'm from the South East and the only time I hear it like that is on TV. Maybe it's regional? I'm now sitting alone in my kitchen attempting 'mention/ mension' in various accents aloud.

Its the same as when people say "glaaass" instead of "glass" or "baarth" instead of "bath".

Sometimes it's regional, other times it is people trying to project a certain image.

It is meant to be pronounced negossiate, not negoshiate and tisssue not tishoo, they’ve just been shortened over time and it’s become acceptable, as language is want to evolve like that.

It's not though, it's neg oh shi ate not neg oh see ate

Personally, I find both equally acceptable. It’s clear what’s meant.

"Ti" should produce a "sh" sound in the English language.

So "Nego-shi-ate", "Situa-shun", "Men-shun" etc.

That said, if I went around correcting everybody who didn't pronounce words 'correctly', I would never get anything done.

I say glaarss and baarth.

stephisaur until you end up with shits in your bra

Nego sh iate
Men ch un
I sh u (issue)
Situa sh un

all shhhhh's here.

But - i say tisssssue. Not tishu.

Never thought about this before.

Drives me mad too - I secretly judge people who do it and lump them in with people who say 'haitch'.

The English language is full of such anomalies!

@araiwa

Ok, Ti followed by a vowel. Clearly still half asleep :)

And mensssion for mentchion?

How do you pronounce "action" op?

Haha Enb76...
Yes, Stephisaur, that's what I thought!
I don't judge... just assume that someone changed the correct pronunciation and didn't tell me. Like they seem to have done with coup. Can't count the number of times I've heard 'coop' on the TV / radio. It's been pointed out to me that language evolves over time and that we don't pronounce other loan words with an accent (e.g. restaurant) but it still sounds bizarre to me. Maybe I'm old.

Act shi on

That’s how I say it. I also say ‘haitch’ which is the correct pronunciation in Hiberno-English so judge away Enb76 😁

Ah, seems like it should be negotishiate but the 'new' pronunciation is with the sss
According to this video

I had a friend who's mum used to say 'elarstic' instead of elastic and 'plarstic' instead of plastic. Weird.

My father used to say Pashio rather than Patio.

I say negossiate. Never really thought about it before. All the other ti words I pr as th, so don't know why negotiate is different.

@jerrysbellyhangslikejelly

Hiberno-English speaker here too

jerrysbellyhangslikejelly

Yeah, but you're practically foreign so it doesn't count the people I know who say it are just wrong. I had to berate my daughter with the "some people say that and that's fine but in this house we say ..." when she came back from school saying 'haitch".

What really annoys me is BREGGSIT.

It’s BREXIT. EXIT - AS IN LEAVING.