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To think that when people say ask for help if you feel your mental health is poor they don’t mean it?

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Bizarretortoise · 04/07/2018 22:29

Just that, really? Or they mean ‘you should ask for help, but don’t ask me’.
Been having a hard time recently, feeling in need of some support, and just that. I’ve tried speaking to a few close friends and family and they don’t want to know. Fortunately, I can afford to go to a therapist instead, but I’ve been really shocked at how people just palm it off (but are equally happy to post MHA ‘ask fir help’ memes).

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DeckSofa · 05/07/2018 15:12

I completely agree Barbarian that of course the best help is professional treatment. However, I doubt you were "no help at all". If your friend wanted to talk and you listened, and you were kind, that is not a cure but it is supportive, particularly when the right medical options for the sufferer haven't yet been found.

CSIblonde · 05/07/2018 17:43

IME people are sometimes bit embarrassed or shocked if you say you are struggling, but especially if you hide it well, but do genuinely mean get help.
But, family and friends are often huge ly invested in keeping the status quo and don't like you getting help because you struggling on without help suits their needs/agenda or they feel threatened by a therapist opening your eyes to a toxic dynamic with them & any way they've (deliberately or not) contributed to your issues. I've met so many people whose family were incredibly emotionally abusive but they didnt realise until therapy, because your default mindset is family love you.

LyndseyKola · 05/07/2018 18:08

I think the problem is that people are so busy with their own lives and problems, it can be enormously difficult to find the emotional energy to be there for someone else in a genuine and meaningful way. So people don’t offer at all because they feel it’s worse to offer a tiny bit of support than the right amount and are scared they’ll end up being expected to commit to more than they’re really able to give, if that makes sense?

Plus if someone has had a bad experience in the past where they’ve gone above and beyond to really be there for someone with MH issues and found themselves drained, felt useless, said the wrong thing, or been lashed out at for not being 100% there 24/7, they’re wary of getting involved again in the future.

The way I think of it is that you never know what’s going on with someone’s life or who they’re quietly supporting that is taking up all of their remaining energy. So it might not be personal that someone isn’t there for you, perhaps they’ve just got their hands full with their own difficulties or supporting someone in their life.

I work in an extremely intense job, caring profession supporting people with MH issues, and volunteer with a crisis hotline. I’m there for my close friends, absolutely, ongoing, and I’ll always find the ability to be there in a crisis for someone who needs me but I just don’t have the capacity to be one of those ‘I’m always here for everyone’ people when I’m already supporting people 50 hours per week with my job and voluntary role, and being there for the closest people in my life. I also have depression myself. And at the end of a tough week I often feel like I have no more fucks left to give. I think my capacity to care for others is probably unusually high (most of my colleagues say they couldn’t do the volunteering I do on top of our full time jobs), so for me to feel like I can’t give any more of myself without disappearing I wonder if maybe other people who have a lower threshold just can’t offer up a lot of themselves without suffering.

The samaritans are always there. They genuinely are always there with a cuppa read and a biscuit, or on the phone or text or email or letter. If there aren’t the people in your life able to offer what you need never hesitate to reach out to people who are openly saying ‘here I am, what’s up?’ like the samaritans.

I’d never post a trite meme though cos it just isn’t true. I do have times where I need to shut and lock my door and relax alone and would struggle to welcome someone in crisis in for the fifth time that week as harsh as that sounds, so I won’t promise it.

Wheretheresawill1 · 05/07/2018 18:48

I really resent the whole ‘talk to me’ thing people put on Facebook after a celebrity suicide- in reality people really don’t care. I can go weeks before I hear from some people

LyndseyKola · 05/07/2018 18:56

I can go weeks before I hear from some people

Is that after you’ve reached out to them, they don’t respond for weeks?

If so I wonder if they are aware you ‘need’ to talk rather than just fancying a regular chat. I and pretty much everyone I know often leaves messages for a while if I don’t know the person is struggling, whereas if someone messaged saying they needed to talk rather than just ‘hey how are you?’ i’d make sure to reply.

CanaBanana · 05/07/2018 19:06

In my experience, even your GP and the NHS don't want to know about your MH issues. They tell you to get more exercise or take up a hobby to distract yourself, and if you persist they may eventually refer you to a counsellor for one or two sessions, where you'll receive no real help and will just be told again to exercise and get a hobby. They won't follow up to see if you're feeling better either - as long as you go away and shut up they won't pursue it any further. And any history of MH issues on your medical record basically marks you out as undesirable and several countries including the USA won't give you a visa if you have a history of MH issues e.g. depression. No wonder so many people suffer in silence.

LyndseyKola · 05/07/2018 19:08

That’s really sad Cana. It’s a real postcode lottery from the sounds of it. Our local MH team is amazing, you can self refer and be seen within a few weeks then offered really high quality evidence based therapy for up to 18-20 sessions, that goes pretty in depth. It’s so unfair not all parts of the country run their MH services so well.

CSIblonde · 05/07/2018 19:38

Canabana
Agree re the exercise obsession that MH professionals have. I politely refer them to an article a year or so back saying recent research in USA found exercise isn't as helpful as was once thought. Diet, support network and a daily routine that included anything you enjoy (not necessarily hobbies) were found to be more effective.

Lottapianos · 06/07/2018 08:23

'But, family and friends are often huge ly invested in keeping the status quo and don't like you getting help because you struggling on without help suits their needs/agenda'

Just YES to this, so much

Re exercise, I only started seriously exercising about 6 years ago and I could talk all day about the benefits to my mental health and general wellbeing. That said, exercise advice does seem to get dished out as a one size fits all solution. A colleague of mine went to the GP to discuss her severe depression. The GP suggested she take up jogging. Colleague was struggling to get out of bed in the morning and to function during the day. It was patronising, thoughtless and insensitive advice, and a great example of not actually listening to the person in front of you

Lycanthropology · 06/07/2018 09:25

Yes I agree about the virtue signalling. My DD has MH problems, which can sometimes be severe. She was in a sports club in uni which had an event to promote MH awareness and understanding after a member sadly committed suicide. When DD told the club she had to leave because she was unwell, she was blanked by her coach and told off for the short notice by the person incharge of fixtures. Then just left to it.Hmm

Fortunately, she has had lots of other help and support.

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