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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To cycle ON the pavement?

532 replies

Hum2 · 30/06/2018 19:43

Haven't ridden in years and just getting back on it. Do not trust some of the cars on the road to overtake me with enough space. I'm still wobbly on it.

AIBU to ride on the pavement? Even when there is a cycle lane on the road (which was a locked at two points today by parked cars!).

I also use the 'green man' to cross the roads rather than moving to the road and crossing like a vehicle.

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whatsthecomingoverthehill · 01/07/2018 16:54

I've got pedestrians twice. Both times they stepped into the road right in front of me with no warning and without looking.

If cycling was a dangerous to others as you make out then you'd be able to show how many pedestrians are injured by them. The statistics are all there if you care to look, including minor injuries.

EmpressOfSpartacus · 01/07/2018 16:56

Ok, I see your point. But if I'm walking along with my bag full of stuff slung over my shoulder as usual, cyclist appears out of nowhere almost on top of me, I swing my bag as I whip round & it hits them, or the earlier disabled poster who said she'd use her stick to protect herself from being knocked over, or the one whose bag got caught up & the cyclist blamed her when they fell off - I don't see how you can blame the pedestrian for any of that. If people were saying they'd actively go for bikes that are moving slowly & well out of the way, then that's different.

starzig · 01/07/2018 16:56

No ivykaty. That's not what I said, the ones that cycle rather than walk are.

ivykaty44 · 01/07/2018 16:59

So cycling to get around is lazy? Is that what you're saying?

C8H10N4O2 · 01/07/2018 17:02

The statistics are all there if you care to look, including minor injuries.

No they are not. Pedestrians hit by cyclists on pavements will only be recorded if a the pedestrian is hospitalised or has enough information about the cyclists to get an incident number.

One of the occasions I was hit on the pavement I was unable to travel for a week. I did call the police about that one - nothing they could do about it since its impossible to identify cyclists who hit you and bugger off.

Most of these incidents don't get reported because its impossible to pursue them. If cyclists had mandatory insurance and some kind of identifying number that might be different. I'm always amazed at how few of the cyclists I know have insurance.

KitchenFloor · 01/07/2018 17:03

Yes, apparently we're lazy and should be doing our commutes and school runs on foot if they're under 10 miles.

ivykaty44 · 01/07/2018 17:04

Nanettitioo cycling and driving are both traffic, both drive and cycle on the road and pavements, so it's a bit different from your analogy if domesticated animals and wild animals

ivykaty44 · 01/07/2018 17:07

I know in the region of 70 cyclists, each one has insurance, even though it's not a legal obligation. How many cyclists do you know without insurance? c8H

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 01/07/2018 17:13

Most of these incidents don't get reported because its impossible to pursue them. If cyclists had mandatory insurance and some kind of identifying number that might be different

I've often thought this is also the reason why the Home Office / police / councils / whoever take such a laissez faire attitude around irresponsible cycling

It's usually dressed up as concern for decent cyclists, the environment, etc, but IMO what it really means is "we can't afford to pursue this and we couldn't identify who they are anyway, so it's not worth trying"

KitchenFloor · 01/07/2018 17:14

caffeine I don't think that's correct police procedure. They're supposed to record it if you report within 24 hours and you were injured. They don't like doing it though. I've been twice to report, once I was mildly injured when a van knocked me off (and had I not known the rules they'd have fobbed me off then too, the default position in a RTC is that if both parties stopped and exchanged details and weren't injured there's no reporting to the police, and they tried to say the driver had stopped so there was no issue); the second I wasn't injured but very annoyed due to the circumstances and wanted the driver to at least have some training or similar, they refused that one as I wasn't injured.

LakieLady · 01/07/2018 17:16

These anecdotal stories of bad cyclists, which lets face it, most of us have, does not really take away from the fact that any injury and death to pedestrians is far likely to come from motor vehicles.

Given that around 90% of miles travelled are travelled by car, that's hardly surprising. It would be 90%, even if cars were no more dangerous than other forms of transport. And just because the vehicle doing the damage is a car, that doesn't mean that the damage is the driver's fault.

In most instances, motorists are accountable for their bad behaviour though. They can be prosecuted, imprisoned, banned from driving, etc and people can be compensated financially if they are injured by one (which I know isn't everything, but it helps). Hit and runs are pretty rare. When the same applies to cyclists, I'll have no issues with them mixing with pedestrians, children, buggies and dogs.

I would welcome harsher penalties for driving offences, especially drink/drug driving, speeding and using mobiles, because of the risk it involves. I also think drivers should have to undergo a bit of refresher training every now and then. I did a "safer driving" course through work (because I was always kicking off about ridiculous safety policies when driving was the most dangerous part of our job) and I found it improved my driving no end (and reduced my fuel consumption by 10%, so double result).

For most drivers, accidents are a very rare thing (2 minors, both without any injury, in 43 years for me, none in 38 years of driving AND motorcycling for DP). The only people I can think of from among friends, colleagues and family who've had a lot of accidents is my late father, who was a complete liability when driving and should never have been allowed on the roads, and one of his brothers who was a complete bloody maniac but somehow only ever managed to hurt himself.

FuckPants · 01/07/2018 17:17

I'm hearing impaired and I've nearly been knocked over several times by cyclists on pavements, don't fucking do it.

C8H10N4O2 · 01/07/2018 17:19

They're supposed to record it if you report within 24 hours and you were injured

That may be the case but it doesn't happen, in the way many other "minor crimes" don't get properly recorded because the chance of successfully pursuing them is zero.

Most pedestrians don't report because there is nothing to be gained by it. Even if you can identify the cyclist and catch them, the likelihood of them having insurance is very low. This is why citing stats as "low" in this area is very misleading (and its not a unique crime in that respect).

In other RTA even if both parties stop where there is personal injury the police do at least record and give a number as insurance is involved. Without an injury then I agree they are rarely interested.

C8H10N4O2 · 01/07/2018 17:22

Where are all these shared pavements?

We have some pavements which a cycle lane is clearly marked of (which I'm fine with so long as they stay in the cycle lanes) but I can only think of one or two completely shared spaces outside of Cambridge.
Or do the cycle lanes on paved surfaces count as shared?

FrancisCrawford · 01/07/2018 17:30

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starzig · 01/07/2018 17:35

I just find that the pavements round here get very blocked with cyclists doing very short journeys, which makes it unsafe for kids walking to school. Just think that many short cycle journeys could be replaced by walking.

NameChangeUni · 01/07/2018 17:36

Build your confidence up by cycling through quieter areas like a large park or a canal path if you have one.

No pedestrian wants a clumsy cyclist narrowly missing them, just like no driver wants a clumsy cyclist causing hazards on the road

LakieLady · 01/07/2018 17:39

We have a shopping precinct and a section of road that is "shared space". The precinct is shared by cyclists and pedestrians, the road (a shopping street) is one way for cars, but two-way for cyclists.

This gives rise to no end of scarey moments when cyclists going in the opposite direction to cars suddenly swerve into the path of oncoming cars to avoid pedestrians. Thankfully, I rarely have any need to drive down there, since the pet shop closed down and I have to go elsewhere for my 17kg sacks of dog food!

Teateaandmoretea · 01/07/2018 17:45

No. Because they do not, ever,haveto cycle on the pavement. If they can't cycle on the road they should get off the bike and push it on the pavement.

Bit if there are no pedestrians for half a mile this is a bit pointless. But adults should certainly dismount if there are pedestrians.

OP I think yabu because there are risks to being on the pavement for both cyclists and pedestrians. People expect adult cyclists to be on the road. You need to find places to cycle that are quiet to build up confidence. Maybe you can get a train to somewhere rural?

Runssometimes · 01/07/2018 17:56

Both times I’ve come off my bike and been concussed. Once was when a pedestrian stepped in front of me on a poorly designed cycle lane that was on the road side of a bus stop. Stupid design. The bus was pulling out. Someone got out at the last second, stepped in front of me, bless him, very few people actually check left when getting off a bus. I swerved and braked hard. Went over the handlebars, smashed my helmet and was pretty bruised, clothes torn up. Lost consciousness briefly. Pedestrian was fine but it wasn’t his fault. I never used the cycle lane again ever though the road was horrible. Another time someone literally just turned round and stepped onto the road on front of me whilst looking at their phone. I had to brake hard, no time to ring bell. Minor injuries for me but I didn’t hit her.

I think some cyclists are irresponsible, some drivers are pretty poor/dangerous. I can see into cars from my Bike and about a third drivers are using their phones. I’ve aksi seen someone watching TV, and one person unbelievably steering around a corner which holding a bowl of cereal and eating it with a spoon, guess he was steering with his knees.

And finally there’s plenty of pedestrians who walk into the road, cross in front suddenly, wander into cycle lanes and take no responsibility for their own safety.

Then there’s responsible people in all groups who pay a bit more heed.

MrsFezziwig · 01/07/2018 18:06

It's always "I take the greatest care" and "I'm always very respectful of pedestrians" ... right up until they get on the blasted bike

Well Puzzledandpissedoff I don't really appreciate being called a liar.

None of the cyclists posting have said it is ok for the OP to practise on the pavement. None of the cyclists posting have said that it's fine for cyclists to ride on the pavement at any speed they like no matter how crowded or narrow the pavement. It's simply that a few of us think that there are certain circumstances where a blanket ban on pavement cycling is inappropriate and even dangerous, and I feel that we have explained ourselves in a somewhat more considered fashion than the "YABVU, get off the pavement" mob.

Rollonweekend · 01/07/2018 18:11

Well I'd say YANBU. You're obviously not going to be cycling top speed like a twat on the pavement.

No, this is not a good argument,
In the example I have the cyclist was not going at speed - we were in an incline so she slowed down and wobbled as she passed the pram and that is what cause her bike to fall towards it with her handlebars close to the infants face.

There are multiple dangers with cycling on the pavement and it’s NOT just speed. What about another example given where a toddler makes a sudden move into the path of the bike?

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