AIBU to think that those who insist on teacher bashing need to think

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Where would the country be without teachers?

How would the country get the skills needed? How would you all go to work? What would happen to the economy with all those parents at home doing childcare?

And I'd also have to say that if you're going through life continually experiencing the same problems with other people, you're the thing that is remaining the same throughout. Time to see if you are actually the cause of the issue because that's certainly what I'd suspect.

MaryDoloris

So you have never met a good teacher? Maybe time to look in the mirror.

And this is a TAAT

Really? Not a thread that I am aware of!

Whoever criticises teachers as a whole are welcome to retrain and show us how it's done. There's a real shortage, so they'd get their hands bitten off if they wanted to try.

*BoneyBackJefferson

Teachers should not be and are not beyond criticism.

But it should be done in the correct way.

as for

Where would the country be without builders? Without builders you wouldn't have a school. Same goes for the bus driver to get them to school, the roadworkers who build the for the bus to drive on, the oil rig worker who helps fuel the bus.

Where would it be with GPs, politicians, bus drivers, train drivers.

The next time you have a complaint against these I recommend doing so in the same way that you would a teacher, and see where did gets you*

Did you deliberately choose to misinterprete my post? I am pointing out that each profession needs the other profession can operate on its own.
As for complaining about them I'd do so in exactly the same way as I would a teacher, by following the appropriate complaint procedures not sure how else you'd expect anyone else to complain.

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People should really think about a horrendous day they’ve had with their child then remember that in a class of 20-30, there’s likely to be at least one child as challenging every single day. Then think about the fact you have to work five days per week every week in term time: no matter how fed up you are you can’t take a day of annual leave just because you’re so burned out.

And then you should think before you open your mouth to criticise teachers who - shock horror - are glad it’s the end of term.

I freely admit the above is a CAAT (comment about a thread).

But where would the country be without dentists, electricians, shop workers, bin men?

You can argue that about all jobs. Teachers aren't above that

Do you come across many negative threads on here about them?

BTW I'm not a teacher and never have been. Nor are any of my family, I just think they seem to get slated on here far more than other professions.

I am...on the other hand...well I can't say or I'd get slated massively.

That’s because it’s a parenting website

I’d be unimpressed if my kid had to stand up for forty five minutes tbh.

I had some wonderful teachers at school. Teachers who went above and beyond to protect and support vulnerable children and make a very difficult school experience that little bit easier. I take my hat off to anyone who can do that.

I also had some awful teachers who were a disgrace to the profession and who shouldn’t have been allowed near children. To impose a blanket policy of ‘Don’t criticise teachers because they do a tough job’ lets these sort of teachers off the hook and diminishes the achievements of the great ones.

I do agree. However there are bad teachers out there. Although more good than bad

Onlyjoinedforthisthread

Did you deliberately choose to misinterprete my post?

Why would I?

I am pointing out that each profession needs the other profession can operate on its own.

And I am pointing out that if posters swore/threatened or threw chairs at a nurse/doctor/dentist they would be off the books and refused treatment.

If they get antsy with bus drivers they can be removed from the bus.
Retail staff can refuse to serve.

Swear or threaten a builder/plumber/electrician and see how much work gets done and how difficult it would be to get a replacement.

Yet teachers are supposed to take all of this in their stride, take the kids back in class every day, keep talking to the parents and if they don't they are unprofessional.

Bore off with your where would the country be without teachers. I'm so fed up with this holier than thou attitude in the UK to teachers.

I think the UK attitude is particularly anti-teacher.

We will be without teachers sooner than people realise with these enormous cuts if nothing is done as the whole system is on the verge of collapse. My school is only able to sustain itself for the next two years. Most local schools are the same, they will have to shut in the next few years. I'm sure that when schools need to fight for more money to stay open then there will be teacher bashing thread about us being greedy for wanting more money. The reality is we are not allowed paper, lights on, pencils and even toilet rolls are rationed right now. We are funding the basics ourselves from our own wages right now. We are unable to teach properly because money is so tight. We need money for the basics and would like to hope that people will back us when we fight.

BoneyBackJefferson sorry that isn't what you said at all, you said The next time you have a complaint against these I recommend doing so in the same way that you would a teacher, and see where did gets you i agree no one should have chairs thrown or be sworn at, sadly this happens and not just on schools but in most public facing jobs so teachers aren't unique in this situation but that isn't what your post was about or the original post. I have volunteered with children, have seen that some parents think that their child does no wrong, have seen fabricated complaints that have taken years to resolve and find a person innocent but that mud sticks and you get the typical no smoke without fire response so don't get me wrong but teachers are no more important than doctors, cleaners or factory workers which is what the OP implied

I think there's a good balance tbh.
There are teachers on here who support each other and so there should be.
Parents should be able to post about teachers, especially if they aren't sure if they need to escalate their problem. Parents who are teachers can be in both camps if they want to, it's a public forum.

After all nobody is infallible, everyone makes mistakes, apart from me coz I'm perfect

My dd teachers are fab, especially going into the GCSE years. They go the extra mile and are supportive and like you to get in touch with any queries.

whydid that’s true, my school has now ran out of glue, pens, pencils and excerpted books (for maths). We won’t be getting any until September so I’ve had to buy them myself to get through the next few weeks.

I actually do think complaints against poor teachers should be raised, I have complained about a colleague recently for speaking to a pupil like absolute shit for no reason.

I agree with a previous poster who commented that because everyone has been to school they believe they are qualified to comment with some authority on teaching as a career. I am a CP social worker and to some extent it is the same issue, every one has been parented or is a parent. Hence all the job needs is some common sense. All jobs in the public sector seem to be vilified these days

I had good teachers and I had a right B of one in Primary 7 and second year in high school. The damage they did is still evident today. I do not believe in teacher bashing but neither do I think we should worship at their feet. They are accountable just like everyone else.

I am not an indiscriminate teacher-praiser. My kids' first school was shit, her class teacher was bone idle and the TA was an utter waste of space. As an ex teacher myself I'm ashamed of just how crap that place is and how it seems to have permeated through the whole bloody hellhole (it used to be an OK school - the current head is fucking diabolical and has the place full of her buddies).

My kids' current school though has absolutely fantastic teachers (I'm jealous of just how good a couple of them are - and I've told them that!), an amazing head who balances being warm and approachable and knowing every child well, with being utterly utterly on the ball with what is going on in her school and having all the office-dwelling paperwork stuff spot-on and the office staff and caretaker are bloody awesome too (I've not met the cleaners or kitchen staff)! The place is fucking awesome - and I'll do whatever I can to help them out because I really do value what they do and how well they do it so well and they've also helped me massively on a personal/professional level trying to get back INTO teaching with changes in curriculum content and legislation and the like as well.

I included my kids' first school as evidence that although I'm an ex/returning teacher myself - I don't indiscriminately teacher-praise - but there are some absolute fucking gems out there and they really do deserve bigging up to the rafters.

Internet teacher-bashing though goes in cycles... we're coming through the season where everyone's hot and sweaty and pissed off generally and a year's niggles are really starting to snowball... about to veer into "my child has Mrs X next year and she once looked at me a bit funny so I'm not happy" territory... July and August are obviously peak teacher resentment season because of holidays... bit of a lull early September once kids have settled in with a spike for the first uniform infringement or detention when "our Wayne never done nuffink"... snow days bring the usual barrage of "they've just closed the school cos they want a day off"... then we're into Christmas play/PTA illuminati casting conspiracies... bit of a lull going into the new year before we start to get toward exam season and the cycle begins to repeat.

People can and do have a lot of emotional baggage from their own time at school (I got excluded from primary school, was horrifically bullied, the head literally did have a hate campaign running against me - I was told this by a former teacher who I met as an adult and actually apologised for how she was made to treat me as a child). Changes in the curriculum mean that things like Maths and reading aren't taught at all how they were when most people were kids so they're well out of their comfort zones dealing with it all, and some schools I think do themselves no favours with a line toward parents that is pretty much hostile and viewing them as a force to be tamed and managed from the start.

And some people will always feel threatened by authority figures or representations of "officialdom" as well. There are loads of reasons why people tend to view schools and teachers as the enemy and a target to have a good bash at. Once you understand that, and see it's the same old complaints every year - it just becomes background noise by and large.

In all my years as a parent and now grandparent I can literally pick out the kids who will be teenage nightmares. And somehow they correlate with those kids whose parents are always complaining about the teachers from reception onwards.

Usually adding their kids are too bright so not challenged enough.

Mmmmmmm

Arianagrandestattoo but at lunch time, which is 45 minutes, the child is standing for 40 minutes after hurrying their lunch down in about 2 bites.
Or when they are out shopping with their parents, or out playing, or at their football etc.

What is the difference between standing then and standing for 45 minutes elsewhere?

I had the option of -
A) child stands for 45 minutes
B) child sits in floor and becomes a potential hazard, injuring themself or another child
C) child is left unsupervised in a classroom
D) cancel the entire p.e. lesson because pfb can only stand for any length of time when it is deemed suitable for the parents

The parent admitted they'd complain about options a-c and the other 28 parents would complain about option d.
What the flying fuck are teachers to do?
I really wanted to tell her that if she sent her child with the appropriate clothing and footwear this wouldn't be an issue but how dare I make such statements.