Sarah Sanders (Press sec for Trump) asked to leave a restaurant

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Just wanted to gather thoughts on this one as I'm not sure what I think.

Sarah Sanders is Trump's press secretary. She was politely asked to leave a restaurant over the weekend, following a staff vote (ostensibly in protest over the recent news over the Trump administration's treatment of immigrants).

Any thoughts?

Seeing as most republicans seem to believe that not serving homo- and bisexual
people is their constitutionally (or God...) given right?

Not sympathetic at all. At least she was sent away for chosen political believes. And chosen publicity.

Also, just wanted to repeat this (because it can't be said often enough):

They said out loud that they wanted family separations to be a deterrent. They said this months ago. Any pretending otherwiseincluding by SHSis a lie. And it's fucking disgraceful.

jumped, uninvited, into the final stretch of a girls’ track meet, apparently intent on proving his athletic supremacy over the opposite sex. The fact that this guy is in power is terrifying.

Shit like this unfortunately doesn't even surprise me anymore...

Also, I sometimes genuinely hate sexual dimorphism.

As for SHS, my favorite response on Twitter was that they should have taken her order and then spent the next hour telling her that they'd get back to her on it

Businesses should not discriminate on any grounds. It is a slippery slope to suggest otherwise.

Horseshit. Businesses have always reserved the right to refuse service for a variety of reasons. Hell, some have locks on their doors so people "off-brand" don't get in. No shirt, no shoes, no service ring a bell?

I worked at a fast food establishment that politely asked a group of men displaying swastika tattoo's and other Neo-Nazi paraphernalia to leave as they were upsetting the staff and costumers.

Businesses have to think of their reputations and their clientele. If serving that bitch upset their staff and customers, than they have every right to kick her out. Racism isn't a religion, gender or sexuality, therefore, not a protected trait.

It's going to be one popular restaurant...

If this is in reference to the Asher's case then it is incorrect. The court ruled against the bakery, the appeal upheld that decision and it is now awaiting judgement in the supreme court.

That’s the UK, not the US. The Supreme Court ruled recently that the baker was right to refuse in the US.

The more I see of this woman the more I wish CJ was back

Now that trump has tweeted this abuse to millions of 'followers' (creepy word), surely all bets must be off in terms of legitimising the hounding of every single person who defends his regime in every peaceful means available? The arch bully has Twitter. Ordinary people have peaceful protest.

The trump government is opposed to illegal immigration and many of the restaurant workers were at one time or currently illegal immigrants.

I came to America as a child. My father worked here, started a business and later sold it. Our path to citizenship has been arduous and extremely expensive. Quite frankly I'm appalled that people like my sisters MIL can walk into America and get a greencard by virtue of being related to someone living here. She then claimed asylum because she figured out she would get Medicare and social security this way.

So this woman who has never lived a day in America before now has a fully paid for home, medical care and food. Meanwhile we have people sleeping rough on the streets because MH care isn't properly funded. We have areas with deprivation so extreme, yet there is no focus on these communities.

Trump is wrong but the democrats are wrong too. The whole system needs to be completely reformed.

I think this whole incident was a set up. We have the midterms coming up. Timing couldn't have been better.

It's interesting how some people think that protected traits are somehow sacrosanct but discrimination for other reasons is fine.

Protected traits are things that people are born with/ can't easily change. The color of their skin, their religion, their sexuality, their gender, their physical or mental ability.

No one's born a racist, it's a choice.

For what it's worth, I don't believe people should have to bake cakes for gay couples if they feel strongly against it. However, the couples they refuse are allowed to publicize the fact that those particular people are anti-gay as well. It works both ways.

Wow. I don't think I can call you a silly birth as that would be breaking the rules here.

She's a public figure supporting the separation of thousands of young children from their parents. I call it like I see it.

This thread has developed into an anti Trump thread. I agree with you all on the anti Trump point. He and his administration are deplorable.

However, freedom of speech is just that. If someone is above the law (if not common decency or morality) then they should be entitled to be treated like everyone else when out and about, even if in a privately owned establishment.

Simply disagreeing with someone's views (to which they are legally entitled to voice) isn't enough.

Ps I cannot stress how much I hate everything Trump stands for. But I just don't think that this was right.

However, freedom of speech is just that.

Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence. Just because you can say what you want, doesn't mean that people don't have the right to peacefully retaliate if they don't agree. Sanders can say what she wants, the restaurant can also ask her to leave for saying it. It's a private establishment.

And sorry, but just to highlight, Sarah Sanders is PRESS SECRETARY for the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. The First Amendment doesn't protect her, it protects the restaurant, its owners & employees.

The restaurant was completely in the right to protest the actions of the government of the United States in the way that they did. The first amendment protects the right of citizens to protest the government and it's policies.

Sanders, as a representative of the government of the United States, is in violation of the First Amendment for attempting to create a backlash against the restaurant, thereby restricting their freedom of speech. The minute she became Press Secretary she waived any of her rights of free speech as a private citizen, ditto to Trump.

Honestly, I'd like to see the restaurant take the bitch to court.

If I owned a shop or restaurant I can think of a lot of politicians I wouldn’t want to serve

I'd never considered the prospect of being able to ask people to leave just because there's something about them I don't like. It sounds rather fun, and I'm thinking I'd quite like to buy a pub now.

By publicising this, SHS has cleverly turned the dialogue away from the child separation issue onto herself. It is this that has been dominating Twitter over the last few days, and really, why? She was turned away from a restaurant as they didn’t feel comfortable serving her? Personally, I would have served her dinner and got her out of there as quickly as possible, but to have this relatively insignificant issue overshadow child separation is not accidental.

Personally, I would have served her dinner and got her out of there as quickly as possible

But then you aren't making your contempt/views on the issue known. The restaurant took a stand. Yes the Trump administration is twisting it, but the peaceful protests need to happen. More people and places need to starting utilizing their first amendment rights. When its 50/100/1000 restaurants turning away Trump cronies, instead of 1, they won't be able to avoid the issue.

Excellent. Hope the USA regains its wits and boots the lot of them out of office asap.

Also to he person mentioning the bakery in Belfast. You're a tad confused. There was a case in America about a bakery refusing to serve a gay couple and the court there said they were in their right to do so.
So if you're allowed to not serve someone because of something they can't choose ie their sexuality surely you're allowed not to serve someone for their political views?

If a Sanders thinks it's fine to seperate a breastfeeding baby from their mother and family, I think it's fine to seperate Sanders and her family from their dinner.

Cry me a fucking river Sarah.

But then you aren't making your contempt/views on the issue known. The restaurant took a stand. Yes the Trump administration is twisting it, but the peaceful protests need to happen

However, if more similar protests occur, that gives them more fodder. I don’t believe in stooping to their level of discrimination. Maintain dignity, serve them, they leave. Just don’t put extra gravy on. I think liberalism is in part losing ground because of these types of dramas; conservatives inevitably seize upon them and the left falls even further back.