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DH's drinking

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Namechanger1776 · 24/06/2018 19:05

I love my husband very much, we have a great marriage. Except his drinking. The problem is though he doesn't drink vast amounts but he does drink every single day and it is really grinding me down.

Today for example he has had 4 beers no not a huge amount and you can't really tell he has been drinking but it's just so unnecessary.

I've asked him before to cut down as sometimes he gets quite obnoxious but he never does.

On Friday I wanted to meet a friend and asked for a lift to the train station and for him to pick me up about 10pm. He couldn't take me down there as he had been drinking already. This was at 3.30pm!

I don't know what to do. He isn't listening to me when I ask him to stop.

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Namechanger1776 · 28/06/2018 22:16

I honestly don't know. But we are day 4 I said I would give him a month.

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Wolfiefan · 28/06/2018 22:17

But by day 4 he's back to drinking or saying he wants to and being stroppy?

Rocinante1 · 28/06/2018 22:22

He's slipped up... but he didn't go through with it. He's been reliant on alchohl for a long time; addiction is a physical thing, not just in the mind. His body is adjusting, he will be feeling off and like he's missing something. The natural reaction is to feed his body what it's craving. So, he went to do it... then he paid attention to your response and he decided not to drink.

That is a win. He's stroppy and grumpy... but if you were getting over something that almost became an addiction then you'd be grumpy too. He won tonight - he didn't drink.

If you don't show him that you appreciate his choice tonight, then what motivates him to keep trying. He's done this for you; and he will soon see the benefit, but he needs to see that you notice his effort, that you've noticed the choice he made tonight and that you are happy and appreciate him doing this.

Namechanger1776 · 28/06/2018 22:23

A tad petulant yes. But it was a conversation that lasted about 3 minutes.

I'm out tomorrow and Saturday for the first time in ages and I rarely go out two days in a row. That will be the test I think.

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Wolfiefan · 28/06/2018 22:26

The trouble is that you're looking for him to prove that he wants to change. He's pretty much shown you he won't.
You need a plan. If things don't change then what?

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 28/06/2018 22:29

Yes, I'd see him chucking the gin away as a positive. He did it, so he's making an effort. Though acting deprived because he can't drink during the football is a bit meh when he agreed not to drink for a month only 4 days ago.

Still, I think I'd say something about having appreciated his gin chucking.

Incidentally, my autocorrect is definitely American. It keeps trying to change gin to gun, while of course gin is a far more commonly used word than gun here.

Namechanger1776 · 28/06/2018 22:34

Then I leave. I've done it by myself before that bit doesn't frighten me.

I have to think of my children. God I never quite get it right.

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Wolfiefan · 28/06/2018 22:36

I'm not sure there is a "right". Nothing is ever perfect and there's no simple black/white solution to make anything 100% blissful. If only.
There is only the "better" choice. Nobody here can tell you what that is. But you need help and support to decide. Have you contacted Al anon?

HyacinthsBucket70 · 28/06/2018 22:37

I think you're doing the right thing by giving him a chance to change things. But I'd also start making plans in case things don't work out.

Can you get him to see your GP together? Perhaps by making it more "official" that there is a problem, he will understand you mean it.

Namechanger1776 · 03/07/2018 16:15

Thank you for everyone who has helped me.

The drinking hasn't stopped. I'm done and I've told him so.

And it makes me feel so silly because it's small amounts every night but he just isn't taking what I want into consideration. I don't want to always be the one who is relied upon to drive, im sick of the excuses around drinking. We nipped to his mum's last night and he she offered him a beer and he said I'll take that as it's so hot and drank two cans in 5 minutes.

He isn't toning it down and I feel like such an hypocrite because I drink! He says it feels like he is living with someone who is teetotal. I'm not teetotal I just don't drink every day.

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Wolfiefan · 03/07/2018 16:19

Oh OP I'm so sorry.
It's not silly.
Re read what you just wrote. It shows how skewed his views on alcohol are. Not drinking every night doesn't make you tee total. And if it's hot you down water not units of alcohol.
Do consider Al Anon for support.

Rocinante1 · 03/07/2018 18:16

It's hard now, but you will feel a huge sense of relief once the constant stress over "will he be drinking or won't he" has gone.

Maybe he will seek some help now that you've followed through on the ultimatum.

Good luck.

UnexpectedItemInShaggingArea · 03/07/2018 18:18

Well done OP. It will be tough but better in the long run.

Graphista · 03/07/2018 19:23

"He’s an alcoholic" yep!

You can't make him stop.

3 c's of addiction

You didn't cause it
You can't control it
You can't cure it

4 beers EVERY night IS a lot, but because you're so used to him doing it, you're minimising/desensitised. Plus from other comments you've made it sounds highly likely he's drinking more than you're aware of as you're not even noticing he's had a drink and then asking him to eg drive - thankfully he's not THAT stupid he's driving then but it's also highly likely he IS drink driving if he's driving at all as he's not even going a full day without! My dad had all sorts stashed around the house. He's even drunk 'non drinks' that contain alcohol he's been so fuelled by the addiction, he even drank when on Antabuse. (Really stupid thing to do!)

Drinking so early in the day for no reason is another indicator.

Not being noticeably drunk - because his body has built up an intolerance - is yet another.

Honestly it sounds like he can't manage without for even a few hours!

"and don't for one minute think your children are unaware of his behaviour because they aren't." Absolutely!

"My dc are not his." Even more reason to leave, they don't deserve this inflicted on them.

As someone who grew up as a child of an alcoholic I beg of you for your DC's sake LEAVE. Get your ducks in a row and get out. At the very least leave with a condition that you'll CONSIDER returning when he can prove he's been sober for at least a year. You know him, he won't be able to fool you.

He isn't stopping because he doesn't WANT to. It will only get worse. No almost about it - he will be arranging his activities to 'naturally' involve drinking wherever possible - so people won't notice (except they do)

Physically it's not just liver, it affects ALL major organs and body systems. Eats away at the gut, wears out the heart...

I kinda wish I could show currently 'healthy' alcoholics my yellow, bloated, doped up to the eyeballs on meds to keep him barely alive, bedridden, mind addled (was a VERY intelligent man) father. If that doesn't put you off I really don't know what would!

My mother has stayed with him despite decades of abuse, she is his carer and can barely risk leaving the house herself.

Curiosity getting me - did you live together before you got married? Did you not notice anything before you married? Because I doubt this has become this level in a year. Was he in a ltr before and if so why did that break down?

Does he have residency of his DC? Where's their mother in all this? Because I'm very uncomfortable at the idea of pre-teens left in the sole custody of an alcoholic.

You'll be back at same point in a month I guarantee. Use that month to get organised inc contacting your stepchildren's other family. And do a thorough search of the house, all the cubby holes, airing cupboard, attic, where the Christmas decorations are stored, his car, the shed, garage, gym bags, took box, the collector bucket for the lawn mower, drawers, wardrobes... Be prepared for a rude awakening.

@justvent - 3 decades of dealing with a family of addicts, living with one, listening to them tell of all the things they did to facilitate the addiction and hide it, and doing TONS of reading the research good enough? To be perfectly honest you're coming across as defensive, possibly you're an addict or love one too?

Mountains and prawn - congratulations on your continuing sobriety. 2 of my relatives who are (they say are not were too) have achieved sobriety for several decades now. One still goes to AA regularly. Works for them all power to em I say!

My dad CLAIMS he quit, what actually has happened is he physically cannot get out to buy it now and mum refuses to - even if he were with it enough to order online mum deals with all deliveries. So he's a dry drunk really. Still as vicious and nasty as he ever was - which he used to blame on the drink of course!

You seem to 'get it' op - that either he wants to do it and will or he's just trying to placate you until he can push your boundaries on this. Stick to your ultimatum though or its meaningless. It's also sounding like he's not truly acknowledging the issue. No mention of going to dr, or AA or another support group? Or getting counselling or getting rid of the alcohol from the house altogether - I'm guessing you'd have no issue with that?

...and then I read today's update.

So sorry, you're not silly AT ALL. You were hopeful, that's fair enough. But unfortunately he's not wanting to or isn't ready to stop. You have to do what is best for you and DC.

Stick to your plan to leave and get away from all this.

blueangel1 · 03/07/2018 19:34

@NameChanger1776 - I've been in your shoes too. EXH consistently drank far too much, then when I challenged him about it started to do it in secret.

I know on many occasions he drove his kids to school when he would have been over the limit from the night before. I thought that was bloody deplorable and I told him so.

Eventually, it became "my fault" that he was drinking and for the last 12 months I was with him, I don't think I had a drop of alcohol as he put me off it.

You're well rid, believe me .

Flowers
RhubarbRhubarbRhubarbRhubarb · 03/07/2018 19:36

Hi @op.

My mum was an alcoholic (who died in her fifties as a result of her alcoholism).

Four beers a night actually isn’t a small amount. I think binge drinking is anything over 5 units in one session.

Your partner sounds like he is an alcoholic. I would do the same as you and get away from him ASAP. Your children shouldn’t have to be around a problem drinker, whether that’s a parent or stepparent. I think they would come to resent you and your relationship with your dp if you stay with him and expose them to this.

If you stay with him, (which I know you aren’t planning to do), then I really wouldn’t drink around him. I know alcoholics need to learn to be around alcohol, but I think it’s quite cruel having it in the house if they’re in recovery, (which your dp isn’t).

I would leave and not go back - no shocking him into it etc. Not worth it when you have dcs to think about. Not his dcs either. It never ends well. I’ve seen another relative doing this on and off with her husband - her threatening to leave if he drinks, he drinks, she leaves. He stops, she comes back and repeat. It’s toxic. Luckily her dcs aren’t at home anymore. It’s still horrible.

EeeSheWasThin · 03/07/2018 19:43

I lived with someone who thought it wasn’t an issue and it destroyed our marriage and his life in the end.

I hated living with someone whose life revolved around alcohol. I have every sympathy and please don’t feel bad for wanting to be out of it, especially to get your DCs away from it.

Rainingonthelanding · 03/07/2018 21:38

Well done op. I think you're very brave.

It's not silly at all but I understand why you feel like that. As a pp said, his drinking has become your normal. Questioning it grinds you down and you begin to doubt yourself. But he has shown you that he can't go a few days without a drink. That's not normal. I think (hope) you will find it a huge relief to not have to walk on eggshells anymore and make excuses for him to your kids. Stay strong.

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