To think I shouldn’t have to worry about Mumsnetters’ safety just because they want to attend a lawful public meeting?

[SarahJane73]

Tomorrow a number of Mumsnetters are planning to attend a public meeting to discuss a proposed change to the law that affects women.

On Friday a threat was made that a ‘device’ would be left at the venue. Sussex police are treating this as a serious threat and later that day the bomb squad raided a house in the local area where ‘potentially explosive materials’ were found:

www.hastingsobserver.co.uk/news/bomb-squad-called-to-st-leonards-1-8536449

www.hastingsobserver.co.uk/news/police-investigating-bomb-threat-against-hasting-meeting-1-8539357

This is in addition to all the ‘usual’ threats to do some ‘GBH’ to the women attending:

twitter.com/cattdeskatgmail/status/1008686921223204864

And no, that’s not just talk:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-attacker-tara-wolf-is-a-thug-says-feminist-maria-maclachlan-pq0bwvthv

Maybe there’ll be masked men again blocking women from entering the meeting:

Maybe they’ll stand outside chanting ‘burn it down’ as they have previously. Maybe they’ll then track down women who have attended the meeting to harass them as they go about their work:

womansplaceuk.org/footage-of-picket-line-attack/

Whatever your views on the proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act, AIBU to think this kind of behaviour is abhorrent in a civil society and the attitude that you get your way by threatening, beating up and maybe even blowing up anyone who attempts to express a view you disagree with is a threat to our democracy?

So red just to clarify, a transwoman (with GRC or just self-id?) wanted to use the women's (single sex) toilets because they were afraid of being assaulted in the mens? But simultaneously, this same person doesn't understand/care why women don't want physical men (self id transwomen, or just random men claiming they have self-id) in their single sex space?

Horrifying. And yet I only see this being spoken about on here, although admittedly the tide is turning on open comments online.

JAmes Kirkup in today's Spectator:

"In Britain in 2018, women trying to hold public meetings to talk about politics and the law are being subjected to intimidation and threats. The police are investigating a bomb threat against one of those meetings. Yet politicians and large sections of the media are silent. Would that be the case if any other group or community were subject to such threats and intimidation? Why aren’t politicians, of all parties, shouting from the rooftops about this?

It’s not as if they don’t know or don’t care. Since I started writing about the gender debate in February, I’ve lost count of the number of MPs and other political people (of all parties and ranks, from policy advisers to Cabinet ministers) who have privately told me they are worried about the nature of this debate and worried about the implications of policy. Yet almost all of those people have also said they are not willing to talk about this publicly, for fear of the criticism and vitriol they believe they would face from people who believe the interests of transgender people are best served by shouting down questions with allegations of transphobia and bigotry. I understand that silence, but it has costs. When the people who are supposed to speak for ordinary people – and the rules that allow those people to exercise their basic democratic freedoms – stay silent, they leave a vacuum of leadership and moral courage that can be filled with hostility and fear."

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/06/why-are-women-who-discuss-gender-getting-bomb-threats/

RebbyKay, your longer explanation clarifies that this woman didn't actually say your friend should be raped. What she did was point out that a biologically male person should be using the gents.and that if your friend was scared of male violence then that was why the ladies is single sex.

Frankly a man who identifies as a woman who doesn't understand why women need single sex provision is pretty clueless.

Gay men also can be at risk of assault. Are we supposed to allow them - or any other potentially vulnerable men - to use the ladies because of male violence?

By using the ladies your friend is removing the protection and privacy of a single sex space. Your friend is part of the problem. If your friend identified with women rather than as one they would get that.

YANBU.

James Kirkup concludes:

’ll end by repeating the basic facts of this story once more, in the hope that some of the politicians who talk so much about free speech and equality and fairness finally pluck up the courage to talk about this. Some women had a meeting to talk about their legal rights. Someone threatened to blow up the meeting with a bomb. The police are investigating that threat and say it is being “taken seriously”. And this happened in Britain in 2018.

Yet almost all of those people have also said they are not willing to talk about this publicly, for fear of the criticism and vitriol they believe they would face from people who believe the interests of transgender people are best served by shouting down questions with allegations of transphobia and bigotry

It depressing that MPs, the very people who we elect to debate, feel silenced on this issue.

THis is the petition,:

Consult with women on proposals to enshrine 'gender identity' in law
The government proposes to amend the law to allow people to self-identify as men or women, and to stop allowing organisations in sensitive situations to exclude people of the opposite birth sex. We call for women to be consulted on how to protect women and girls' rights, safety, privacy and dignity."

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

It currently stands at 12 247 and so the government were required to respond:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3269463-Government-response-to-the-petition

If it reaches 100 000 there may be a debate in parliament.

You are definitely NBU.

This is an assault on free speech, women's rights and we should ALL be worried about the way this movement has been given a free pass to do and say what the hell it wants, when it wants.

I've signed the petition!

Im really confused rebby

I didnt even think you said that they were being transphobic and therefore 'deserving'

You certainly didnt say it in your earlier post so why on earth would you think i was referring to you

Were you thinking that really loudly?

It utterly beggars belief that this isn’t being reported in the MSM.

Men have always been absolutely terrified of women talking to each other.

Rebby , how exactly do you know she identified as a feminist?

I'm still wondering how transphobic hate speech relates to this meeting and the bomb threats.

Princess, who, other than you, has mentioned transphobic hate speech?

It surprises me that you need this explaining, but rebby's post at 00.46 discussed hate speech, and they're evidently also talking about speech they perceive to be transphobic.

"Hate speech" - what is that? Aka "Someone saying something I don't like"

(There is a real threat to free speech from Trans activists. They are afraid, that is why.)

So by "hate speech" do you mean a "hate crime"? For there to be a "hate crime" there must be an actual crime. So if there is a hate crime committed please report it to the police. Other than that it's just someone's opinion that you don't like.

YADNBU.

ManFriday's blog from a couple of weeks ago is disgusting. Just real screenshots of things posted by TRAs.

manfridayuk.org/2018/05/04/manfriday-the-11th-our-very-own-art-exhibition/#more-1060

Examples
The lesson from today’s discourse: kill all terfs

At what temperature does a TERF burn the most agonizingly? Just a harmless, inconspicuous question I feel should be put on the table

GET READY FOR A BASEBALL BAT TO THE TEETH.

@rebbykay

I'm sorry about what happened to your friend. I believe you, and I believe her.

Sadly, trans people, especially trans women, do suffer abuse and discrimination. This is unacceptable, and it needs to stop.

WPUK and all of the other GC groups I am aware of condemn abuse and discrimination. Recently, WPUK have un-invited speakers that have made anti trans statements. GC feminists want to protect natal women, not harm trans people.

The vast majority of abuse and discrimination that trans people face comes from natal men. Feminists are not their enemies. In fact, feminists and trans people should be natural allies because they have the same villain: gender.

The lesson for today's discourse: kill all women who say things I don't like

At what temperature does a woman who says things I don't like burn the most agonizingly? Just a harmless, inconspicuous question I feel should be put on the table

Based on this thread.

Fun new game: TERF translator
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3242186-Fun-new-game-TERF-translator

Eresgkigal
Imagine if the word TERF was replaced with
"Black person"
"Disabled person"
"Gay man"
"Jew"
People would soon sit up

Wouldn't they?

Or "trans person"

rebbykay Thu 21-Jun-18 11:53:11 I actually can't believe I'm being accused of lying about women telling my friend she should be raped. She was actually told "you should be in the men's toilets" and when she said she was at risk of violence from men in there, the answer was "that's your own problem, and perhaps if you were assaulted you would understand why women don't want you in their spaces a little more." That is why I put the word "feminists" in quotation marks, because to me, any woman who is that blasé about rape isn't a feminist at all.

I reported both the post where you lied to demonize women and this one where you confess to lying in an effort to demonize women. Your self righteous posturing is absurd.

No mention of this in the mainstream media, except for Kirkups article. What a disgrace. Of course its terrorism. But noone seems to care as its just women being affected. The behaviour of so many transactivists is absolutely disgusting, but largely ignored.