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To be a bit dubious about cannabis being legalised

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LeahJack · 19/06/2018 18:08

William Hague called for legalisation today. And there is the discussion about legalisation for medical reasons, which is obviously great for people like Billy Caldwell, but has been used in the US as a back door for recreational legalisation as certificates are given out like confetti for everything.

I worry about this as DH used to smoke it. And like most users thought it was harmless but it made him absent minded and empty headed even when he wasn’t smoking it to the point where I was frightened to leave the children with him because he wouldn’t be able to react quickly if they did things like run into the road. Plus he was grumpy, irritable and short tempered when he wasn’t smoking it.

Another friend of mine who is a bit vulnerable had a complete breakdown into psychosis smoking it and lost her marriage and wasn’t allowed her children unsupervised for a long time as a result of cannabis smoking.

I also know someone who is currently smoking it claiming it is curing his depression, but it is quite obviously making his already poor mental health worse and tipping him into paranoia.

I know some people say it should be treated like alcohol, but if alcohol was discovered now, it would probably be banned too.

I think smoking it is a selfish act, and the price for recreational users legally getting stoned will be paid by their partners and children and vulnerable people who are made ill by it.

I hate that it’s effectively been decriminalised anyway and my children have to walk through clouds of stinking smoke on our high street.

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NoIWontDoWhatYouSay · 19/06/2018 21:20

Decriminalising drugs and regulating and monitoring them as a system will virtually eradicate any drug dealing. It will be obsolete.

Yeah, underage people will still get hold of it but they already do with fags and booze. But those fags and booze are manufactured and produced in a regulated manner and they're getting them from their mates brother or whatever. As has happened for decades.

They're not potentially being sucked into an illegal world of predation, exploitation and violence as they would if seeking out and buying drugs now.

There are hundreds of thousands of alcoholics in the UK. No-one is selling bottles of illicit white lightening on street corners nor are alcoholics buying stuff made in someones bath and dying of poisoning or being blinded (which happens in periods of alcohol prohibition).

It isn't lucrative to manufacture and distribute what is freely available.

Take the financial incentive away from illicit chemists, producers, importers and dealers and the illicit production will stop.

As will the exploitation and violence involved. And you will half empty our prisons and courts.

Take that money and put it into addictions and more psychosocial interventions in our society so people are less likely to become dependent on substances in the first place.

For those that just want to take substances because it's enjoyable and it causes no harm to them or others then they can just crack on as before 😀

And there are many. And they object to being told be a government what they can and can't legally put into their own bodies.

4yearsnosleep · 19/06/2018 21:25

I don't think it would be a free for all like it is in the USA if they legalised cannabis oil for medical usage because we don't have a capitalist medical system. It should be strictly legalised for specific conditions and closely monitored, not given out willy nilly because people claim they can't sleep (common route to prescription in the USA).

MrsJayy · 19/06/2018 21:26

Do people think kids are going to be knocking up spliffs Hmm it is a medicine they are taking that is helping them I hope it is legalised and people can get some relief.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 19/06/2018 21:34

When then do make medical cannabis legal, I will be first in the queue at my GPs to get a prescription for a free supply. I do come down with very bad back pain occasionally, or whatever illness is required to get the drug.

It just seems ridiculous to suggest giving the stuff away for free at tax payers expense when they could raise so much in taxes on it. It will be a pain having to collect it from the Pharmacy when currently dealers do free home delivery in less than 30 minutes but I suppose you cant have it all.

DeShausanay · 19/06/2018 21:40

There is a very naive view generally held by people who have very little experience of drug takers that there are ‘drug pushers’ who are actively trying to get people hooked on heroin.

I'm not naive of drug takers at all. By the time I was 21 it took both hands to count the friends that were dead due to drugs, my bet friend was a speed freak (that wouldn't have ever touched a joint and my ex was also into all sorts (none of which ever included cannabis (he liked uppers, he's dead now too).
What you are saying vastly differs from my personal experience.

LeahJack · 19/06/2018 21:41

When then do make medical cannabis legal, I will be first in the queue at my GPs to get a prescription for a free supply. I do come down with very bad back pain occasionally, or whatever illness is required to get the drug.

Well that’s the problem in a nutshell really isn’t it? People who want to get stoned exploiting legalisation for medical use.

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DeShausanay · 19/06/2018 21:41

bet = *best

flapjackfairy · 19/06/2018 21:41

Well you wont get high on it anyway so just keep your dealer on speedial !
And those of us who need it to keep our kiddies alive wont have to stand behind you in the queue at the doctors !

WombOfOnesOwn · 19/06/2018 21:42

I regularly sit here in sunny California with my wax vaporizer pen, using cannabis, even gasp! while taking care of my children! I used it double gasp every single day of pregnancy, more than once a day! And horror to end all horrors, my DH, their father, uses it every day as well.

My poor children must be undeveloped little mites whose care has been utterly neglected by how slow and stupid it's made our thinking, and how muddled up we must be when we care for them. Probably they're seriously injured regularly because we simply can't be arsed to watch them because we're so very reefer-mad.

Do you detect a hint of sarcasm? Yeah, my kids are the children other people in the family look at with envy -- clever, funny, social, well-behaved, good sleepers, good eaters, who hit every milestone early. We're constantly being told by our family (his upper-middle-class somewhat conservative family, as well as my working-class family, both of which are well aware that we are daily users and that I used during pregnancy) that it'd be lovely if we had more children, and that it'd be unsurprising for people with kids as nice as ours to have a large family.

We're forever learning with the kids, we take them out and are museum members at several museums locally that we regularly visit, we take them on fabulous vacations and to see family members all over the US, by car, train, and plane. My income has tripled in the last 4 years, every single day of which has involved (usually fairly heavy) cannabis use.

I would expect that if you met me in person, you'd have no idea whatsoever that cannabis was a part of my daily life. Vaporizing combined with a large, well-ventilated house means that my clothes and hair don't smell of it. I don't trail off halfway through sentences ... okay, not any more than any other mother of an infant, I admit the sleep deprivation can cause something like that once in a while!

I would say we are dependent on cannabis in the same way anti-depressant takers are dependent on their anti-depressants. Both my husband and I were mental health disasters who'd tried therapy and more traditional prescription type drugs first. We were messes. I couldn't get myself together from anxiety enough to keep any half-decent job for very long. He was practically a hoarder who was spiraling into self-destruction and was absolutely miserable all the time.

Now we're a lovely middle-class couple with a life others envy. I think a lot of the idea about "stoners" comes from the "bad toupee fallacy." You think to yourself, my god, are there no good hairpieces for men, they're all so obvious and tacky ... until you realize that if the hairpiece really was quite good, you'd never know it was there. People only notice the bad cannabis users the same way they only notice the bad toupee.

Limpopobongo · 19/06/2018 21:45

Sunny CA is a world away from inner City UK.

GinUnicorn · 19/06/2018 21:50

Legalising it would take the power away from dealers and reduce crime. No brainer really. The war on drugs is lost. Personally I would end prohibition and legalise everything.

flapjackfairy · 19/06/2018 21:55

Womb i know lots of dog owners who swear their house doesnt smell of them but an outsider can smell their doggy house as soon as they step through the door. I think you are deluding yourself if you really believe nobody can smell it on you or in your home.
I am not going to even comment on the rest of your post.

endofthelinefinally · 19/06/2018 21:55

The war on drugs is killing our children.
The richest people around here are the drug dealers. Not the street guys but the big bosses. They own huge mansions on private estates, own local properties and businesses. Send their kids to private schools and are untouchable by police, courts or anyone in authority.

LeahJack · 19/06/2018 22:09

I’m watching the news and they’re talking about the use of cannabinoids for chemo, HIV (to recover appetite) and epilepsy in children which all sounds amazing and I don’t think anybody could object to.

But backdoor legalisation is a worry. I’m not sure it would stop criminals operating either. It might just make them more bold instead.

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Grandmaswagsbag · 19/06/2018 22:13

I don’t even understand why anyone would question it being legalised for medical usage. Patients would presumably be getting it from a pharmacy. It’s no different to many other drugs on the market. Derived from a plant, has good side effects for some patients and potentially a few undesirable ones too.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 19/06/2018 22:19

LeahJack Why are you against the millions of consenting adults who already use cannabis to get a nice high, being allowed to get that nice high legally, more safely and all whilst contributing to the tax pot?

Millions are already getting pleasure from it, do you think it only a few bad apples that smoke it? Your stance is supporting criminals.

LeahJack · 19/06/2018 22:21

womb, honestly, I think you’re deluding yourself. My DH used to come out with the same sort of shit and I have heard other people come out with the same crap.

You can carry on deluding yourself if you want. But your kids know, and when they grow up you’re going to have to justify to them why you decided to live through their childhood in a stoned haze rather than engaging with them properly. You will be coming across to your children as alternatively dazed and detached from them or giddy and silly.

My husband would swear blind it had no negative effects. But he when he was smoking he would struggle to remember simple shopping lists and he was fucking irritating and boring when he was stoned, his reactions were slower in general and his IQ seemed to drop. He was also irritable and grumpy when he was between spliffs.

It’s always the flipping smokers themselves who say that it’s fine and they smoke it with no problems or impact on anybody else.

However I’ve yet to find a stoner with a non-stoned spouse who would agree and say it has no impact on them and doesn’t mean they don’t have to take more responsibility and can rely on a stoner. I’ve never met a child who wants to wax lyrical about how fab it is to have a stoned parent.

It’s probably more accurate to say it doesn’t cause any problems which you are prepared to face up to or admit to.

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LeahJack · 19/06/2018 22:22

Why are you against the millions of consenting adults who already use cannabis to get a nice high, being allowed to get that nice high legally, more safely

Because the cost of that “nice high” is usually paid by other people.

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Branleuse · 19/06/2018 22:22

you do realise that by legalising it, no-one is going to be forced into using it?

Why should the fact that your dh didn't understand that it's not appropriate to get stoned when looking after children, mean that other people can't enjoy it moderately ?

Walkingdeadfangirl · 19/06/2018 22:28

Because the cost of that “nice high” is usually paid by other people
But you could say the exact same thing about sugar, cafeine, TV, the internet, games, football, skydiving, cycling... basically everything we do can affect our personality. If you didn't like your DH when he was smoking then you should leave him. Why deprive the rest of the country from a legal way to live because you stayed with a man you didn't like?

endofthelinefinally · 19/06/2018 22:28

Alcohol is legal. Not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic.
A percentage of the population have addictive personality disorder. That percentage will exist whether substances are legal or not.
I know 3 people who have a history of drug problems who have really struggled to get help because of stigma and criminalisation. All of them diagnosed with ADHD.
I dont think legalisation will alter the level of addiction. But it will probably reduce crime and deaths.

TheClitterati · 19/06/2018 22:31

Brilliant post WombOfOnesOwn

LeahJack · 19/06/2018 22:31

Why should the fact that your dh didn't understand that it's not appropriate to get stoned when looking after children, mean that other people can't enjoy it moderately ?

He didn’t get stoned looking after children. He did use it moderately. But what stoners tend to fail to understand, is that if you are getting stoned fairly regularly, it tends to affect your personality all the time.

Not just when you’re being a tedious, boring, dull person who is actually stoned and usually has the wit, charm and brains of a particularly stupid rock.

It changes your personality all the damn time.

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TheHobbitMum · 19/06/2018 22:36

I already use high strength cannabis oil (it's legal already in the UK as it contains no THC) and it helps my rheumatoid arthritis hugely!
I definitely see the need for legalising it, the medical uses alone are vast and would help millions while the taxes alone would bring in huge revenues

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