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To ask what ordinary people can do about the Trump Government separating families at the border.

32 replies

Rainatnight · 19/06/2018 14:12

I'm so upset by this. I feel like throwing up every time I think of it, and imagine DD in that situation.

What can normal people do about it?

OP posts:
anametouse · 19/06/2018 14:47

Thanks for this post, I was just thinking the same myself

anametouse · 19/06/2018 14:50

I've followed the link, it's still hard to know what to do. I can only assume it's pointless writing to someone when I'm from the U.K.?

Absofrigginlootly · 19/06/2018 15:01

The first link does contain some things that non US citizens can do (contacting amnesty, The UN)

But this one is mainly for US citizens...
mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/opinion/children-parents-asylum-immigration.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

I agree, it’s beyind horrific and I feel utterly powerless to do anything other than feel outraged Sad

blossbloss · 19/06/2018 15:30

Thank you for the post and for the links above.

As well as writing to the US Ambassador in London this afternoon, I have emailed the Prime Minister, my MP and the United Nations Human Rights Commissioner.

We have to stand up and be counted in any way we can.

tripYouOut · 19/06/2018 15:40

"I feel like throwing up every time I think of it"

Hmm

Beyond livid?

I don't think 'normal people' email the PM of GB and NI or their MP. Of course, that's an MP in British Parliament.

I guess there's always OFSTED or logging it with 101.

Absofrigginlootly · 19/06/2018 15:42

Trip come again????

Bombardier25966 · 19/06/2018 15:49

Good on you blossbloss for making your opinion heard. Our government should be speaking out about this, it's a human rights violation that should be denounced at the highest level.

For what it's worth, Jeremy Corbyn and the Home Affairs Select Committee have both asked the government to make representations on the issue. Sadly I doubt Mrs May will have the nerve to do so.

Grasslands · 19/06/2018 15:55

Why not open up your home, freely and invite some illegal immigrants that have snuck into the UK into your home...unvetted just some random people feed and cloth them until what ever their situation is gets sorted.

Somerford · 19/06/2018 16:02

Why not open up your home, freely and invite some illegal immigrants that have snuck into the UK into your home...unvetted just some random people feed and cloth them until what ever their situation is gets sorted

NO. They should tax other people to pay for it and create ghettos for illegal immigrants in towns far away from where I live.

Absofrigginlootly · 19/06/2018 16:10

You don’t have to run a personal refuge camp from your own home to be in a position of having the opinion that separating children from their parents who are legally seeking asylum is barbaric. They are separating children under the age of 3 and even BFing infants FFS.

Pretamum · 19/06/2018 16:14

I was thinking the same thing OP, it's so disturbing what they are doing, but as Brit I don't know what I can do to help. Can't believe that this is actually happening in America right now, so upsetting and inhumane.

LeahJack · 19/06/2018 16:28

But if children become a means of avoiding prosecution, that’s going to mean there is an incentive to traffick children which will put lots of children into severe danger. Being in US care probably isn’t ideal, but it’s much less dangerous than children being in the care of traffickers.

Probably the best solution is to drastically improve the conditions these children are in and expedite their collection by relatives or the Mexican authorities so they are released as quickly as possible.

This is, like the recent incident with the Libyans on the rescue boat, a bit of a cynical attempt on the part of the left to use human suffering to force the abandonment of legal attempts to regulate migration.

The boat was an attempt to force Italy to reopen it’s ports to “rescue” trafficking boats by provoking outrage which backfired as they didn’t receive much support.

This is a similar type of effort in America. They are trying to discourage illegal crossing of the border by prosecuting those who are doing it. If they are in jail they cannot have their children with them. But if children become a get out of jail free card it will encourage child trafficking. So the democrats aim is the hope that they can make enough of a fuss about this to force the Republicans to drop prosecution of illegal migrants altogether. Which will of course mean that the flows of illegal migration can continue unimpeded which is the democrats ultimate aim. Which is what this is really about, not genuine concern for these children.

Also, interestingly, the Philippines also operates a similar programme which nobody makes a fuss about because it protects children from traffickers and frequently the people they are with are found not to be their parents, a factor which is being overlooked in the midst of this fuss.

And of course there is also the small fact that if you don’t want to be separated from your children you could choose not to try and sneak them across the border.

But the conditions should be improved,yes.

LeahJack · 19/06/2018 16:35

There is also the thinking that anybody who actually genuinely cares that the West has a functional and fair asylum policy which is not being abused should support attempts to curtail abuse of the asylum programme by economic migrants.

So many people who claim to care about the asylum system couldn’t actually give a toss about it and are actually primarily concerned with maintaining it’s usefulness as a tool for economic migrants to manipulate rather than with the programme’s official aim which is to protect those in danger.

Grasslands · 19/06/2018 16:39

@LeahJack well said

Absofrigginlootly · 19/06/2018 16:43

Except that a lot of these people aren’t illegal immigrants or illegally crossing the border. They are refuges presenting themselves at checkpoints and legally seeking asylum. They are then being criminally prosecuted and their children forcibly removed. This is an unprecedented change in US immigration policy to treat refugees this way.

If they are going to operate a closed door policy then why not detain and deport families together?

Absofrigginlootly · 19/06/2018 16:45

Quote from above link

“Article 31 of the Refugee Convention clearly says that it is improper for any state to use criminal laws that could deter asylum seekers as long as that asylum seeker is asking for asylum within a reasonable amount of time. But our administration is kind of ignoring this longstanding international and national jurisprudence of basic beliefs to make this distinction that, if you come to a bridge, we’re not going to prosecute you, but if you come over the river and then find immigration or are caught by immigration, we’re prosecuting you”.

BarbarianMum · 19/06/2018 16:48

Why do you want to do something about it, are you in the States? If you are in Europe why don't you campaign about the refugee children that are forcebly separated from family here?

Absofrigginlootly · 19/06/2018 16:49

I agree with what you’re saying about illegal immigrants and the potential risks to trafficked children. But a lot of these cases are refuges who are the biological parents of their children (a quick DNA test could solve that issue) and they are being criminally prosecuted for legally seeking asylum and their children forcible removed creating “unaccompanied minors”.

These are 0-5 year olds we are talking about

Absofrigginlootly · 19/06/2018 16:51

Yes why should anyone care about something that’s happening elsewhere in the world?! Hmm If it’s not happening to ones own we should turn a blind eye?

I’d like to read reports of children being forcibly removed from refuges and asylum seekers in Europe... from everything I’ve read they keep families together - even if that mean detaining children with the parents (which people have conversely protested against)

BarbarianMum · 19/06/2018 16:54

There are plenty of children stuck in France/other parts of the EU who want to get into the UK to be reunited with family that the UK won't process, despite saying they would. And plenty in the news about it if you care to search. Hmm

Absofrigginlootly · 19/06/2018 17:01

There are children (aged 0-5) stuck in France that came to the border with their parents and were forcibly removed from the parents? The parents are in the uk and the children still in France and the uk won’t process their application?

BarbarianMum · 19/06/2018 17:04

In 2017 there were approx 450 unaccompanied minors trying to get into the UK and reunite w family. Our government was doing its best to prevent this.

It's not that what is happening on the Mexican border isn't horrific but it's in the eye of the American public now and I'm not sure there's much we can do here in Europe to stop it. We could help these ^^ children though.

Absofrigginlootly · 19/06/2018 17:13

No I agree. Both awful.

But I think the key difference is that unaccompanied minors arriving at borders is one issue, it’s quite a different and unbelievable thing for infants aged 0-5 who are arriving WITH their parents (so not unaccompanied) being forcibly separated on purpose as a matter of government policy