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AIBU to be shocked by seeing a whole new side to DHs opinions of women?

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wiccamum · 18/06/2018 10:07

Apologies if this is a bit rambling, but I had an argument with DH last night, and it has left me reeling a bit.
We had just come back from a weekend away, at a very nice country resort. Had a very nice time and came back pretty tired. So we were relaxing on the sofa last night, and DH brings up a recent story in the news about a female football pundit getting a “round of applause” from a male pundit (google it if you haven’t read it...I am rubbish at adding links 😆) and the obvious social media furore it caused. He said he thought everyone was overreacting and needed to “calm down now”, I disagreed and also felt the clapping and comments were patronising from the male pundit. I also pointed out that, ok maybe everyone was getting very heated on social media, but what dh needed to grasp was that this is an example of something women face EVERY DAY, so seeing it on a public forum, and a massive global news network, might spark some fairly strong feelings!
At this point he said I was now patronising HIM, and he could understand perfectly well the significance of it, but that people were still over reacting. Basically now this conversation had descended into a full on bunfight and I reminded him of all the shit women put up with (including my own experiences) on a daily basis. To level the playing field dh then said “well, it works both bloody ways you know!”. So, to address the balance of sexist experiences, to give me some insight into the male struggle he gave this example....
Wait for it....
Now, don’t get too upset ladies with a delicate disposition...
Once...when he was out running, a drunk woman...yes, a WOMAN, came out of a pub as he ran past and told him he had a “nice arse”.

Seriously. This is how he justified the “ it works both ways” argument. I then recounted a few examples of my own experiences of misogyny and sexism (the usual, we all know) and rather than feeling shocked or upset, he said “well, I have lost business because women have used their tits to get what they want”. Hmm.

I then said that, firstly maybe these women you speak of have learnt that the only way to get noticed in his industry is to exploit their looks, or maybe, just maybe they might actually be better than him and won the business on their own merit...that maybe the fact that they are attractive (or have tits) is just totally, fucking irrelevant!!! I now just tell him to simply Fuck off, which offends him. I say that he has told me to fuck off before, he’s just upset that this time I said it first.
This is followed up by dh saying things like “you have no idea what you’re talking about”, “you don’t understand “ and all that crap. I am left downstairs in tears, thinking “what don’t I understand? Being a woman? Dealing with sexism? Being judged by my gender? Missing out on stuff because I’m female?”
Dh husband has just taken my anger away and used it for himself!!! He’s nicked feminism off me!!!! I’m fuming!!!!!

So I get up this morning, still angry. I totally admit I was stomping around and wouldn’t speak to him. He says (sarcastically) “ nice to see your feeling so contrite this morning”.
WTAF !!!

Am I BU to tell him to go fuck himself? I feel like strutting around the house wearing a red dress and white hood, just so he feels the balance has been redressed. Why is he doing this? Why is it he can’t simply accept that it doesn’t simply “work both ways”? I am so sick of my anger being diluted and being made to feel that, just because I have a successful career and access to toilets, san pro, health care etc, that I don’t have the right to feel that life is not balanced, that I shouldn’t feel the same anger that there are women out there who don’t have the opportunities that I have? AIBU to think my dh cannot call himself a feminist?

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wiccamum · 18/06/2018 13:29

Spaghettijumper- well, yes they are. But not to the same proportion as lower or entry level roles IYSWIM. So for example, management may be 60-70% female (high by general standards) but the female workforce overall is a higher percentage. It’s sad really, I still see male colleagues overstep more experienced female ones 😢

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Racecardriver · 18/06/2018 13:33

So you are a bit of a baby and he is a bigger baby. The whole thiknb has gotten way out of hand and you are both too proud that you both overreacted. The fact that he is beingmkrechildishdiesbt excuse your childishness.

wiccamum · 18/06/2018 14:04

Er, excuse me Racecardriver? Have you read the whole thread?

Trot over to The Tack room Threads, because that is a mighty fine high horse you’re riding

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lynmilne65 · 18/06/2018 17:38

Load of tosh, get a life

FermatsTheorem · 18/06/2018 21:37

Ignore the invasion of the Stepford wives, OP. They always show up on threads like this to tell us "we're overthinking" (they're underthinking) or "all men are like this" (mercifully they are not, and some of us have standards).

wiccamum · 18/06/2018 22:09

Grin thanks, was starting to think I was going mad! I have reread the thread and thank goodness for some genuine advice and kindness from fellow MNs when I was feeling tearful, tired and confused

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Turkkadin · 18/06/2018 23:21

Former professional footballers now working as pundits probably find women pundits amusing to say the least and so do I. I don't want to hear men commentating on pregnancy and birth either.

FermatsTheorem · 18/06/2018 23:29

Except that the woman pundit in question is a professional footballer. She's just left Chelsea and (rumour has it) is expected to sign for Juventus. She has over a hundred England caps.

Kiwiinkits · 19/06/2018 00:20

The older I get the fewer expectations I have of men 'getting it' at all.

Even the good guys are kind of douche-bags underneath. Strip back the nice front and they usually have quite questionable views about women, their place and their motivations. Strip it back even further and there's usually some pretty strong sexual misogyny going on too. Even my lovely brothers, my lovely husband and my lovely dad (all good humans, I promise) make me go Hmm if they express pretty much any opinion on men, women and the way we relate.

PineappleLava · 19/06/2018 00:40

I actually find it hugely refreshing that we have more female commentators in this World Cup, many of whom have played.
So jog on back to Middle Ages Turkaddin and take your outdated opinions with you.

Birdsgottafly · 19/06/2018 06:21

FizzyGreenWater it isn't a matter of intelligence, at all. I'm sick of the jibes about average or less than average intelligence about any type of bigoted views.

My Adult DD has LD's and a lower than average intelligence, she went to a SN School. So her peers do as well.

All of them can get their head around thinking things like this through. Because they know what it is to be labeled (as you are over intelligence) and assumptions made, they are a lot more open minded than most.

Do you realise what you are saying about people with learning difficulties when you make statement as you did? So you are as guilty of bigotry and false assumptions as any Man.

Next you will be claiming that the most intelligent people cannot be Racist/Sexist/homophobic etc.

Men don't want to think it through enough to make changes. Why would they, it gives them an advantage. There has been and is an agenda behind it. The Patriarchy does exist. It isn't an accident why Women were legislated out of Workplaces, not given protection in law, or written out of the history books. Or any Woman branded a prostitute etc who they couldn't do that to, as in the case of Mary Magdalene. We haven't had the same money spent on research on how conditions effect and drugs don't work the same in Women, most research is done from a Male perspective. The NHS started to insist on equal research, but self identification has thrown that out of the window.

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