Should Paternity testing be mandatory?

[mholz]

Considering its Father's day, to cut stress on social welfare; should paternity testing be made mandatory to encourage fairness on Child support payments and to call out deadbeat dads.

No it fucking shouldn’t. I don’t want my children’s DNA harvested for no good reason. If men have doubts they can sort it out via the legal pathway, pay for it or go on the Jeremy bloody Kyle show.

But most people don’t need or want it so it would be a pointless, expensive waste of time which could be better spent on post natal care.

No I dont think it would make a difference in terms of child financial support but I was just thinking, wouldnt a mandatory dna test at birth be good in terms of being able to catch crimials straight away.

Why would your dna being stored in a way bother anyone, not being goady just curious as it genuinely wouldnt bother me at all.

Yeah, ‘cos women can’t be trusted and we’re all slags...or at least those of us who are single parents, eh?

Absolutely not. It's starting from a Point of assuming all relationships fail. Most don't. And even if they do fail, most absent parents do the right thing. Would it only be for unmarried fathers then? Or only at the point of splitting up? Or everyone at the point of delivery?

Totally ridiculous.

We live in a country where you're innocent until proven guilty. Citizens deserve their privacy as long as they aren't breaking laws.

Why would the government need this data? It is not capable of handling data already - especially when it involves different parts of the machine. For example in multiple child abuse cases the police, SS and school often knew the child was abused but they don't work together effectively.

I am sure some people would be mortified at any suggestion that their DP or husband was not the father- would it cause the risk of domestic abuse, and what if the real father is not resident in the UK?

How does this help my Ds is 100% my exh . He also knows this no dna required . However he is still a deadbeat dad . How will a dna test change that ?
I also don’t know how you plan to fund this

Blood spot heel prick is for screening diseases, questionable paternity isn't a disease and no midwife or nurse would want to deliver the news.

Imagine the chaos when whatever backward government public body (or most likely one of Branson's mob) put in charge fucks up the handling of the DNA, gives out the wrong results, or some sadistic jobsworth who doesn't give a shit gets to deliver the news to not-the-daddy 😱

Just, no, a thousand times no.

Why would your dna being stored in a way bother anyone, not being goady just curious as it genuinely wouldnt bother me at all.

In an ideal world no, but probably it would be sold to insurance companies and you'd find it difficult to get cover . But in other way it could be used to predict disease etc

I’ll just leave this here:

Not to mention it might end up with quite a few homeless, penniless women with new born babies for the state to support.

I’m sure quite a lot of men wouldn’t want to know anyway.

A few points to consider on mandatory DNA testing for fighting crime:

DNA isn't perfect - it is a statistical probability analysis so 1:1000000 means 60 people in the U.K. its not absolute.

DNA evidence can also be easily contaminated and passed on - handshakes, washing machines, even handling money which was subsequently handled by a victim of crime.

Also if 2% of men are raising children which aren't there's, that's presumably public money proving that 98% of men are raising their own children. There are 14million dependant children. At £100 per paternity test, that's over a billion pounds. What a waste of money.

The only time it should be court enforceable is if someone is refusing to pay maintenance on the grounds the child isn't their child or might not be, you shouldn't be exempt just because you say so. CM should also be court enforceable, in s criminal sense, like tax evasion. For everyone else there is no need, why on earth would I need a DNA test to prove my DC is my husband's?! PP is right that leads to the assumption that all women are liars who sleep around, in order to have children and con poor innocent men out of money.

We already share a lot of intimate information online through social media platforms, so what is wrong with a 'mandatory DNA testing'

If you think that’s a valid comparison there’s a major issue without even heading into the bonkers idea of DNA testing

@ShesABelter most crimes don't come with a handily left, fully testable untainted DNA sample for a start. Also DNA processing is highly expensive, the police aren't going to start running DNA forensics because someone broke into your shed. If it's a murder investigation or rape allegation the police have powers of arrest and the ability to request a DNA sample which can be enforced by a court. Stop watching CSI.

If 2% of babies were handed to the wrong mothers down to hospital errors, you can bet money would be no object in solving it and there would be a major public outcry...

my ex has never doubted he is the father he just doesnt want to be a father (yet had 4 with me!) so what would be the point? as he says "if you dont see kids you shouldnt have to pay for them."

Do you realise how misogynistic your idea is? Women routinely cannot be trusted to tell the truth about their child’s father?

So should mothers be dna tested too? After all, no one knows how often babies were swapped in hospital.

When babies were stolen in Ireland, Australia, Spain, Chile and Argentina (at least) , the governments have pretty much spared all expense to reunite those people with their birth families. I.e they've washed their hands of the whole thing.

Apparently around 11% of children's fathers arn't who they believe.

That's a pretty low percent to make the whole of the UK population take a paternity test.

I'm married and I resent the fact my fidelity is being questioned.

If a father denies paternity then dna testing is offered through the csa.

Apparently around 11% of children's fathers arn't who they believe

There is no way that figure is anything other than a stab in the dark.

So those of us who are in happy relationships and trust our partners and in fact might have only ever been with that person are supposed to be forced to submit to dna tests?
What about surrogate mothers, does this apply to Just fathers?
What about adopted kids?

It is wrong.

There is no way that figure is anything other than a stab in the dark.

My son recently had genetic testing done and we were told by the genetasist the figure is 11%. We had to be warned as it would come up in the test of dh wasnt the dad.

It might be lower for younger people as ivf and sperm donation are now avaliable.

How would you know who to test and who not to test.
No man goes into a relationship stating they'll be a deadbeat Dad.

As someone who's lucky enough to still be with my dh, I'd refuse to have dh take a test, it's bloody insulting.

The government should be able to garnish wages appropriately

Is this not done in the UK? It's quite common in the US.