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<Long> Do you think this guard was bad or kind?

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questionzzz · 12/06/2018 16:00

I am of Iranian origin, immigrated to a western country several years ago, and have visited my birth country only a few times since.

A young (teenager) relative of mine (lived all her life in the west), decided to do a school project about women's rights in Iran. She asked me (and several other family members) to share a personal experience of life in Iran which was related to our human rights.
So I shared this below. After reading it, my young relative was very upset, and said she would have liked to (figuratively, I hope!) kill that guard.
I said I think she missed the point, the guard was actually being kind to me. (at least, that's how I felt then).
What do you think?

Most people know that in Iran, women have to cover their hair and their body when they go outside, leaving only their hands and faces uncovered. In government buildings, the dress code is much stricter: women are not allowed any make-up, and their clothes have to be much more modest and covered than usual.There are guards outside government building who,apart from security, also control what women are wearing, and if they feel a women is not covered modestly enough, they can refuse her entrance.

A few years ago, I had to visit the passport office to renew my children's Iranian passports. Mindful of regulations, I dressed extra modestly, with a large loose dark scarf and coat concealing my hair and figure, and no make-up. However, I forgot to wipe off my nail polish.The guard at the entrance of the office stopped me, and said I was not allowed to enter with painted nails. I was upset- we didn't have a lot of time in Tehran, and it was a full day to get to the passport office and back. Seeing how upset I was, the guard relented. He gave me a pair of gloves, and said if I put them on and kept my hands covered, I could enter the building.

Looking at the gloves, I shuddered. Originally white, they were now a filthy grey. They were also too big for me. But I dare not refuse. I drew on the disgusting gloves over my hands. I could feel my skin prickle and start to itch. I reminded myself that it was my own fault for disobeying the regulation. I reminded myself I was there for my children. Like millions of Iranian women, bullied and harassed everyday, remind themselves. It is their own fault. And they have to obey the laws, for their children, for their parents. So, with a will of steel, I entered the passport office, thanking the guard for his courtesy in helping me and allowing me to enter.

OP posts:
questionzzz · 12/06/2018 16:59

Yes- I agree it was a "non-event" in context- I don't think I even mentioned the gloves saga when I got home (my parents place) later- there would have been much more interesting things like what to have for dinner and which set of cousins to visit! And I am pretty sure that even if I had talked about it- the most I would have got was "well, remember to wipe your nail polish next time". My parents were big on "you have to follow the rules or you will get in trouble".

he didn't give them surreptitiously at all, just like, meh, put these on. As another commenter said, it had probably become "unofficial" practice to just give them out to women to let them get their business done. I don't remember what he looked like! Or the colour of my nails, but I can tell you right now I am wearing a lovely spring-like pale minty green (and about to head into a govt building, natch :)

OP posts:
Bibesia · 12/06/2018 17:06

Your relative possibly thinks that the guard alone stopped you entering, whereas of course even if he had let you in you would still have been sent away again by someone else. Given that he could have ignored your distress and refused to let you in at all, I think he was basically kind. Though it would have nice to have kept clean gloves.

Mummyoflittledragon · 12/06/2018 17:10

I think the story is a nice one of human solidarity. I don’t understand why your relative was upset with him. The system, definitely.

ikeepaforkinmypurse · 12/06/2018 17:11

Of course it's not a "non-event", what a ridiculous comment. It's an everyday occurrence, another example of life in another country. It's even sadder that it's a modern thing, Tehran used to be "free" not so long ago. Some people should realise that things can change, and sometimes they change very quickly if you are not careful.

The UK is not safe from any of that.

Anyway, of course the guard was kind, how can his helpful gesture be translated otherwise? I genuinely believe the whole system is very wrong, but many people do not agree with me.

Bibesia · 12/06/2018 17:16

Miserysquared, of course it wasn't a non-event. It's really quite sad that you can't see its significance.

JJS888 · 12/06/2018 17:19

Goady post to get attention from people who have absolutely no scale to understand. Middle class women sitting in Milton Keynes can pass judgement but for any of us women who have lived in Saudi, Iraq, Africa or Indonesia, it's a different opinion. What are you looking for OP? Because hey, guess what? The UK ain't perfect either. It's just how life works. I suggest you don't travel through any poor countries and demand attention because no person gives a shit

ikeepaforkinmypurse · 12/06/2018 17:22

Goady post to get attention from people who have absolutely no scale to understand Confused

talking about a goady post... what are you on about!?

jay55 · 12/06/2018 17:22

It’s like a matre d giving a man a jacket and tie in a posh restaurant, with a huge side of repression.

siwel123 · 12/06/2018 17:33

@JJs888.
What are you on about?
Yes he UK isn't perfect but we can sure still comment on how poorly some women are treated in other countries including the middle East that has a poor record for women's rights.

JJS888 · 12/06/2018 17:33

At best it's untrue otherwise it's just how the world goes. If you haven't travelled or don't hold that passport, really don't worry about it.

siwel123 · 12/06/2018 17:35

So we can't worry about how other people are treated?
Shame the world goes where one sex is seen as lesser and must be modest tbh.

I have also travelled but if I hadn't doesn't exclude usnfrom commenting how poorly people are treated

ikeepaforkinmypurse · 12/06/2018 17:37

At best it's untrue otherwise it's just how the world goes.

huh?! Some people really need to get out more.

FaFoutis · 12/06/2018 17:39

JJ is part of the problem.

UpstartCrow · 12/06/2018 17:40

Its interesting to read the different takes on this. I would have assumed the dirty gloves were deliberate and intended as a lesson.

JJS888 · 12/06/2018 17:41

It's the world. It's not England. Abortion isn't even legal across the UK yet so learn a bit of context. It's always easy and boring to winge about the ME without thinking

Bibesia · 12/06/2018 17:42

for any of us women who have lived in Saudi, Iraq, Africa or Indonesia, it's a different opinion

So what opinion would that be?

And why do you think no-one gives a shit? I for one care if women are being treated in this way anywhere. Of course the UK isn't perfect, but does that give repressive regimes a free pass? If so, why?

Bibesia · 12/06/2018 17:43

I would have assumed the dirty gloves were deliberate and intended as a lesson

Surely if he wanted to teach a lesson he would have made OP go away again?

TheActualRealCinderella · 12/06/2018 17:44

Someone seems to have put their tampon in sideways.

QuackPorridgeBacon · 12/06/2018 17:51

JJS888 Wait, do you belive women should be treated badly depending on where they are in the world?

op your relative sounds a bit silly actually. Like she wants a reason to fight without understanding that her reason isn’t the actual problem. I wasn’t there but I’d say the gesture seemed kind and if you did too then it must be.

siwel123 · 12/06/2018 18:11

Like I said the UK isn't without criticism and isn't perfect but not is the middle East and that's what we're discussing as we've also discussed other issues about women's rights on many other threads

ikeepaforkinmypurse · 12/06/2018 18:13

for any of us women who have lived in Saudi, Iraq, Africa or Indonesia, it's a different opinion

in my (limited) experience, that opinion is a mixture of "let's get the hell out of there" and "what a bunch of uncivilised idiots, no way is my daughter staying here".

JJS888 I would just point out that "Africa" is not a country, but a rather large place made of very different countries with different cultures, beliefs and system. You might want to open a book and research "Africa" a tad... being "African" in itself means absolutely nothing.

JJS888 · 12/06/2018 18:24

Quite right I should have said ME, Africa, Far East. Unfortunately most British housewives don't really get the vast cultural differences. Eastern Blok may replace your energies. Holy crap those poor women.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 12/06/2018 18:26

'British housewives' as if they are a peculiarly blinkered species Confused?

JJS888 · 12/06/2018 18:31

Well you are. It's easy to sit and.say how the world should work. If you have lived in some shitty areas in Congo, worked in Saudi or been the only offshore female in Indonesia (the most devout place) then, yes, I don't think you can really get it

siwel123 · 12/06/2018 18:32

We can get that women have less rights in those countries though. Pretty simple.

Also what about the non house wives in this thread? Such as me the male civil servant? Or the working mums in this thread?