Can somone tell me why it’s mainly white middle class teens who are turning trans

[Metoodear]

Have I missed something or is this a very white working class trend

I am really not seeing this peak with BME teens or even white working class so what is it about white middle class children that are disproportionately effected

Or am I completely wrong her maybe there are lots of Asian or black children who are having this same issue

Being working class and black I just couldn’t anyone I know endulging a 4 year old in that way
Is it possible that it’s different parenting style

It's less to do with there being more white middle class trans folks and more because that's who the media shows- the most 'acceptable' transgender people iyswim.

I'm transgender and as working class as they come. My group of friends (lots of which transgender) are also working class and/or BME. In reality, I don't actually know very many white middle class transgender people.

Hmmm... in the late 80s / early 90s I remember a couple of people from my council estate being trans. It’s not a new thing; and it’s not all middle class kids. But I suppose if that’s all you are seeing then that’s how you’ll perceive it

Oh yeah and what @Mamma said- being transgender isn't new. In fact, the people that many transgender people look up to were black and working class, and that was back in the 1960's.

The first trans child I taught wasn't indulged in it. He was kicked out of his family home.

I've recently worked with a couple of working class families with a trans child.

But then middle-class families don't tend to be referred to us. If they were, I might have come across far more.

Yes, but homophobia towards gay children is much more of an issue in the black community. Black parents are also more likely to use physical discipline. As a "working class black parent" you're also far more likely to be a single parent. I wonder if that makes a difference. The children are also much more likely to be in a gang (or prison or a young offenders institute) so peer pressure to be strong and masculine and straight might be higher.

Those are facts by the way, not the same as your guess work about the race and class of trans people. Please don't think there's any intention of racism. We should be looking at, and discussing, facts.

Of course, you would "go to the wall for your children" so then again, who knows. Maybe it's less to do with indulging and more to do with black parents being less accepting.

I think it is wrong to identify people who may have been gender non conforming as trans

Don't confuse media bias with reality. There is probably even self-selectiin bias at play here as I suspect those from well-educated liberal backgrounds are more likely to have been fully accepted by their families and are therefore on average more likely to be comfortable with public exposure.

I think culture has a lot to do with it and not so much class.

I think those with dysphoria will come from all backgrounds. I think those experimenting with trans/queer identity may be from more mc backgrounds as their social circles might be more accepting of this. We won't know without researching it though.

Media bias, cultural norms and expectations among other things.

There are a lot of girls transitioning (f to m). I think it is another symptom of the toxic culture that especially middle class teenagers are living in.
I can see the attraction when you can be cat called for just walking down the street - to become a less conspicuous male.

The only transgender teens I know are all (4) turning f to m. I know just as many teenage boys, so that's not the reason.

I think for some it’s a subculture like goth and punk. Teenagers love to rebel and shock their parents- but this generation have grown up with parents who aren’t shocked by things like piercings, tattoos or hair dye because those are now mainstream. So how do you rebel?

From dd’s angle as a teen with asd she sees and receives a lot of pressure on the asd kids with late sexual development to identify as trans

In our area they are predominantly white middle class due to the industries that attract asd adults to this area

As a result our background levels of children of these adults diagnosed with asd has lead to us being a recognised cluster area

Perhaps many white middle class teens live in an environment where they expect not to be vilified for being transgender, so it feels safer for them to come out.

Some people go through their whole lives hiding who they are, because coming out just isn't an option.

I just wonder if the push to access women’s spaces had come from Asian trans or black trans how accepted would this have been my view it would have been stopped dead in its tracks

And it really seems that Barr the America

Most of the pushy trans people are white
And I do really feel that with most BME parents a very small child would not have their choice indulged and let’s be clear allowing a 4 year old to make life long choices about who they are is indulging

Excellent points op.
When did the trans explosion start and when might the first group reach their late twenties?

It's not a popular opinion but I also saw that a lot of food anxieties - anorexia, bulimia - tend to be from the middle classes too. Quite simply the working classes do not have the resources to indulge in such things to the same degree. Teenage 'rebellion' is too risky when you don't have safety nets.

Why are you switching between referring to teens then referencing 4yr olds?

I have taught two trans students. One was mixed race, one white but both were working class. Transgender isn’t a class issue.

Well, 4 year olds aren’t “trans” in any way, even if they like things traditionally for the opposite gender - so imo they bloody well should be “indulged” at that age. Gender is bullshit for young kids.

Teens who are gender non-conforming are more likely to identify as “trans” now, that’s the big change.

Well I know two teens who have fully transitioned. One is black and one white. One female to male and the other male to female. Could be that middle class liberal thinking allows them to express how they feel not repress it.

I have a theory about this.

The white middle classes are obsessed with identity politics because if they promote and disseminate the idea that people are oppressed by their neighbour because they oppress them due to being white (or European, secular or Christian, male, Heterosexual or cisgender) they won’t stop and notice who is actually oppressing them. Who is pushing up house prices by buying them then selling back to the at an inflated rate, who is offering them jobs with poor wages, who is giving them zero hour contracts or telling them they must do their job on a self employed basis so they are stripped of all rights. Because generally it is the wealthy middle classes and generally the distraction works well for them and points the finger anywhere but at them where it belongs.

The problem is if you are constantly teaching your kids that they are part of an awful oppressive majority which they have no choice about because they can’t change their WASP backgrounds or sexuality, if an easy out into what they are told is a glamorous, noble oppressed minority is offered just by wearing different clothes and calling themselves a different name a lot of them will take it.

Identity politics are frequently used by the middle classes to beat weaker groups like the awful racist working classes. This time with trans they seem to have chosen a stick which is beating the entire ‘weaker’ 50% of the population in women and suddenly the scales of identity politics seem to be falling from an awful lot of middle class female eyes now that beating stick is pointed at them.

That’s my theory anyway.

I wouldn't say it's so much middle class, but I think it's appears to be mostly white people because it's more socially acceptable for westerners - black and Asian families can be very religious and typically less forgiving, many gay people of colour stay in the closet becuase they fear the reprisal from their families or communities. Also agree the media probably feeds more stories about white people, unfortunately .

I have the opinion though most 'trans' teens are just more gender fluid and attention seeking than actually being genuinely trans. They think because they're a tomboy/effeminate and gay, that's the same as hating your biological body and feeling like your trapped in the wrong gender. Bisexuality was fashionable when I was a teen, trans is fashionable now