Aibu to think black women are still dealing with the European version of beauty

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www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5802731/Journalist-apologises-sexist-Serena-Williams-interview.html

Just thinking about why the feelings are Why Serena would be worried about the other lady’s “model” looks my question is to whom she is quite slim and has smallish bum and tbh that would not be seen as that attractive to May black cultures also in a thread about niki manij people often white posters views her as over weight in many black cultures a size 14 would actually been seen as you needeing a good feed

Small bottoms and boobs and a stick think figure would not be viewed as attractive
Different cultures have different standards of beauty

Different cultures do have different beauty standards but I don’t think Serena Williams can be classed as ‘beautiful. She is a great sportswoman, attractive but in a normal woman way. She is very similar to many sportswomen here; most of them don’t have model looks.

I think she's quite beautiful.

To me she has a body to die for their would never be a day when I could get away with a black Lycra cat suit not even on my best day before kids

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, for sure.

It was a fucking stupid sexist question though. He basically said: I (and/or Trump) think Sharapova is objectively* much better looking than you, how do you feel about being less attractive than this gorgeous woman. The subtext being: being attractive is the highest goal a woman could ever aspire to, I reckon you’ve failed, does it bother you? Do admit.

*obviously beauty is not objective, but he clearly thinks it is.

Serena is a goddess in every way, that guy can fuck off.

I read it as this is the ideal of beauty
White
Slim
Blond

How dose it feel to not be able to meet that

I agree with you.

for the first 10 years of my life I rarely saw a white person and I think Serena is much more beautiful than Maria.

I am the 'ideal' of beauty in many ways but have always hated my legs in particular and wanted to be much more muscular and strong. I would ideally look like Serena, Rhianna or Beyonce in my mind. I was constantly told I was 'too meagre' as a teenager so the men clearly prefer the women of their own ethnicities body type.
The problem is that now, with the internet and globalised marketing, even children in Africa are bombarded constantly with european ideals and it is very damaging. Serena has talked about her body and looks extensively but she was jealous of her slim sister - Venus - not white women.

Different cultures do have different beauty standards but I don’t think Serena Williams can be classed as ‘beautiful. She is a great sportswoman, attractive but in a normal woman way.

agreed.

It was a fucking stupid sexist question though. He basically said: I (and/or Trump) think Sharapova is objectively much better looking than you, how do you feel about being less attractive than this gorgeous woman. The subtext being: being attractive is the highest goal a woman could ever aspire to, I reckon you’ve failed, does it bother you? Do admit.*

Yes. Definitely the a bigger problem. I guess you have to be better than the best at your field to get people to talk about that rather than your looks.

You're OP doesn't explain why the Kardashian women have butt implants, which is not a white western ideal of beauty at all.

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They date black men so one would presume they are not trying to look attractive to your average white guy who like the late moss look

You're OP doesn't explain why the Kardashian women have butt implants, which is not a white western ideal of beauty at all.

Isn't that because the age of "I like big butts and I cannot lie" put one beauty ideal up with another. Although obviously failing to tear down the idea that there should be a beauty ideal in the first place.

The Kardashian debate is another story. For example for centuries white and Asian women have body modified to make themselves attractive to white European standards. Nobody bats an eyelash at black celebs losing weight or straightening their hair to accomodate; or an Asian one for getting a boob job but the minute a white woman modifies her body to make herself fit more closely to black beauty standards she’s almost villified for it.

. For example for centuries white and Asian women have body modified to make themselves attractive to white European standards. Nobody bats an eyelash at black celebs losing weight or straightening their hair to accomodate; or an Asian one for getting a boob job but the minute a white woman modifies her body to make herself fit more closely to black beauty standards she’s almost villified for it

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I'm white and think Serena Williams is a goddess. I try and channel her when I play tennis and obviously fail miserably I can't stand people who try and put women down for their looks, or compare totally different women to one another.
No-one compares male tennis plays looks to one another.
Its an attempt to put women in their place.
Sexist, racist, the lot.

Tbh some men and women just think it's ok to comment negatively on women's looks, regardless of colour race etc. It's the culture we live in. Johnathan Ross did it to the lovely Frances De la Tour and the gorgeous actress from the Green Room. Hilary Clinton's daughter even had a female journalist the other day bringing up the nasty insults she's had about her looks. Sad fact is that it's good looks, rather than any other attributes, that will take a woman far. Even in sport nowadays most female athletes are pretty hot and made up/ hair done etc.

Yes. Definitely the a bigger problem. I guess you have to be better than the best at your field to get people to talk about that rather than your looks.

It is definitely a big problem. Women's achievements in every field reduced to their appearance. It's infuriating.

But to call it the bigger problem is to make a judgement on how much black women get to care that so much of the media dismisses their culture while reducing them to looks and that's part of a much bigger issue around black culture and society as a whole that I don't think should just be dismissed. If the poster who wrote that is white then I don't think you get to decide what the bigger issue is really.

I don't care what she looks like. She is an amazing sportswoman, whose body does what she needs it to do

But blimey, that cat suit is shit. On anyone. And mainly I was thinking: is this practical for playing tennis?

You may have a point, OP.

ALL women suffer from being held to unrealistic standards of beauty. And it is getting worse.

Grooming and weight management, clothing choices etc - it’s all a tax on our time and money that men sont have to pay.

It’s shite.

The bigger question is why a world class athlete, the best in her field, was being asked a question about envy and another competitor’s looks. It’s a question designed to belittle someone who has won it all, designed to bring her down somehow because she doesn’t have what Maria “has”.

It’s ridiculous; has Federer ever been asked “do you look over the net and feel envy at seeing Rafael Nadal’s pecs?”

Serena’s beautiful black physique seems to freak out certain journos and commentators. It’s ridiculous and proves just how few Serena’s there are out there, one day it won’t even be a matter of comment.

It of course still is a matter of comment because Sharapova has been handed huge endorsements for being tall, slender-limbed and blonde, an aesthetic that sadly still is benchmarked in a number of countries around the world.

I don’t think any of this keeps Serena up at night put it that way.

On a positive note, the interviewer was crucified on Twitter and had to apologise.

ALL women suffer from being held to unrealistic standards of beauty. And it is getting worse

True. And then there's all the anti-aging crap.

YANBU OP. I think the way they talk about Serena's body and appearance is atrocious. To be fair, the way they talk about any female athlete's body is horrible, black/white or Asian. Unless they are tall and slim (which is a small minority of female athletes) they are picked apart.

Beauty is literally in the eye of the beholder- it’s just social conditioning. There is no reason why blonde hair and blue eyes should be attractive and why Afro and wide noses should not.

Didn't a tennis commentator get sacked a couple of years ago for dissing a (white) competitors looks while interviewing her? Probably comparing her to Sharpova too!
It's totally unacceptable in sport. Maybe it's ok in careers which are based on looks, but not in any other industry. Yet it goes on. And on.