Trigger warning: Germain Greer's opinion on rape...

[LokiBear]

I can't actually get my head around this. How can a woman think like this? I have two daughters and comments like hers frighten me. I teach consent to 15 year olds and this goes against everything I try to teach them. I just dont get how anyone can think like this.

news.sky.com/story/germaine-greer-says-most-rape-is-bad-sex-not-violent-crime-11390855

Autumn:

Her words in plain English:

“Instead of thinking of rape as a spectacularly violent crime, and some rapes are, think about it as non consensual … that is bad sex.

How is it possible that I, by saying she wants us to call some rapes 'bad sex', have misinterpreted her? I am literally repeating, word for word, what she said.

Pengggwn, this phrase has been already analysed to death on this thread. You are either going to engage with that analysis or not. I am not going to repeat what has already been said a million times here as it's plainly not having any effect on your opinion. You are entitled to your opinion and that's that.

AutumnMadness

It's not an opinion! I can read. It is what she says.

perhaps decoupling trauma from rape, as GG suggests, would result in more successful prosecutions because rape victims will not have to perform trauma at the witness stand in order to be seen as a credible victim and secure a conviction.

Yes, I hadn’t thought of it like that, but definitely.

Ok then.

Sorry, previous was for Pengggwn.

AutumnMadness

But it's not. I am quoting her. She says some rapes aren't violent, they are bad sex or non-consensual sex. Plain bloody English.

How can a sensible conversation take place when people call black white?

I’ve just realised I’ve got the wrong username so @CuriousaboutSamphire - if you can face it I’d love to hear more from you, I’ve quoted you a lot on this thread.

I don't know, Pengggwn. How did you come to interpret my words as arguing that women should not make complaints about their rapes? A massive misreading? I also write in fairly plain English, I believe.

AutumnMadness

I held my hands up. I read you wrong. You cannot possibly be reading these direct quotes wrongly. You seem intelligent, so you must be pulling my tail.

No, I really do read these quotes differently. Perhaps because I am reading them together with the wider discussion as opposed to pulling them out and isolating them from the rest of the text.

AutumnMadness

I've read the rest too, and the only way you could infer the very opposite meaning from that quote is if she had also said: "Take someone who says...[insert my quote]. That person is wrong."

She didn't. This is her opinion.

AutumnMadness

And if it isn't, she needs to step up and clarify that she was grievously misquoted by the Guardian.

I think you’re right Autumn Physically ‘reading’ a group of words, isolating them from context and pedantically stating them over and over again in an attempt to strengthen your own opinion, is a very different thing to reading/hearing the words and then cerebrally interpreting those words with all the nuance and inclusiveness they deserve.
Nick Ferrari (shock jock LBC) does the former - it shows a lack of intelligence and a small minded, dogmatic and rather ‘preachy’ attitude to life in my opinion....it closes down liberal, open debate

Luisa27

I have actually stopped in the middle of the road because I can't stop laughing at your perceived distinction between "physically reading" and "cerebrally interpreting". That is one of the funniest posts on here I've ever seen.

Pengggwn, perhaps. It would be good if she continued this discussion.

But, could I please respectfully and cautiously suggest, perhaps you can pay a bit less attention to that one phrase about 'bad sex' and more to what people are actually saying on this thread about trauma, convictions and their experiences of rape. Focusing on one phrase is leading nowhere - we are all getting stuck in conflicting interpretations. Talking about what WE think as opposed to what GG thinks may be more interesting and productive.

AutumnMadness

I asked you what you think. What do you think?

How is it possible that I, by saying she wants us to call some rapes 'bad sex', have misinterpreted her? I am literally repeating, word for word, what she said.

But what punctuation are you putting in? You seem to ignore the ... and treat it all.as one sentence.

JamieVardysHavingAParty

I didn't add anything. That was copied and pasted from the article.

😂

AutumnMadness Yes you’re right. My bad for wording it not so well. With one rape in particular, it happened I was numb and shocked but I got over it, there was no violence, no pinning down and I didn’t try to run etc I just lay there and it happened. It did feel like crap sex but I didn’t want it. I don’t dwell on it or over think it etc and it didn’t scare me away from men. The reason I encountered the man who raped me was because of the previous rape I had endured for ten years. Now that did fuck me up and I’m still having flashbacks to what happened. For a long time I also believed it was my fault until I got my hands on a Tory Hayden book.

....think you need to get out a bit more Pengg 😂

Luisa27

I am out. Not your day, is it?

Pengggwn. I already answered you - e.g. Mon 04-Jun-18 13:41:29.

QuackPorridgeBacon, I thought your words were pretty clear! :)