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To think we should do away entirely with school holidays?

609 replies

SkaPunkPrincess · 28/05/2018 11:14

Just musing and wondering why we don't just do away with them entirely?

Run schools like a regular workplace in that they operate 52 weeks of the year, Teachers and students to get 4 weeks allocated holiday allowance per year and parents can use this at their discretion. Staff would be able to be more flexible and they would have more time in the year to teach children at a more realistic pace?

Am I missing why this isn't a genius idea?

OP posts:
PTW1234 · 28/05/2018 23:47

Sorry had some bastard false nails on and they are driving me crazy!

RebelRogue · 28/05/2018 23:47

Yes I work, thought it was obvious from earlier posts but tbh the thread is long.

No idea which comments you are referring to,but haven't yet seen anyone say women shouldn't work or have kids or whatever.

RebelRogue · 28/05/2018 23:48

@PTW1234 in the most non patronising way possible, school year aside..are you ok?

Boredandtired · 28/05/2018 23:49

@Today 23:44 PTW1234

Also are you showing your true colours and saying women shouldn’t work? Or have careers and children? The work downed stop on the 6 wwwk holidays you know..

And fiscally it shouldn’t

Of course not. I personally am saying children should most definitely not be in school 52 weeks a year. In fact I think their week should be shorter and their holidays longer.
The child should not bear the responsibility of the parents choice to work and they should still be allowed to be a child and they should most definitely look forward to the holidays.

PTW1234 · 28/05/2018 23:49

But you saIf poor child fell f bemused. Could it
Not compute in your head how most 5 year olds don’t know what a chill holiday is!

He will be going to an ofsted registered club and one day grandparents this half term.

I may as well hand to social services poor bastard.. never gets a gets a break from school:.

PTW1234 · 28/05/2018 23:52

Sorry typing fast again. New nails. Tired head 🙈 lets agree to disagree!!!

My child is not poor and neither is yours. I do think 52 week szhoolknf would benefit lots of children!

Goodnight x

Teddy1970 · 29/05/2018 00:09

It's not a genius idea, it's a crap idea..wouldn't all the children want the same time off anyway? Christmas, Easter, a long time over the summer..

BakedBeans47 · 29/05/2018 00:19

Because children (and I guess teachers too!) need the downtime and how on earth could you teach a class of kids when they were all off at different times?

e1y1 · 29/05/2018 01:12

YABU - it is completely ridiculous.

The curriculum is taught in a specific order, of course all geared towards exams.

You could get in to a position whereby there could always be at least 1 person in the class off, missing important lessons.

echt · 29/05/2018 01:15

Having no school holidays would effectively saying teachers would only work 9.00 -3.30. - rather like a work to rule. Unless there was lavish funding to employ more teachers so all prep and marking could be done in expanded PPT time, everything would quickly grind to a halt.
No teacher would ever work outside school hours or at the weekend, and this would fuck the process big time. By the way, they don't have to do this anyway, but do it as it's the only way to get through the work that needs to be done. The holiday are a form of payback (much of which they work through)

As usual the OP confuses education with childminding.

VictoriaB07 · 29/05/2018 06:01

Yabu.What would they teach the children? The last week before the holidays is already spent watching movies or playing games. Schools have cut hours in some areas closing at Friday lunch time. If they stayed open for activities parents would be charged anyway so that wouldn’t help you. I do think childcare is far too expensive, but then childcare providers have to earn a living too.

user546425732 · 29/05/2018 06:30

I want to go on holiday for the first two weeks of September so it's cheaper. Your child will start reception with a supply teacher. Is that Ok ?

Sozzler · 29/05/2018 12:03

Definitely not. As many others have said, children need time to be children and shouldn't be forced to fit around their parents busy work schedules.
Instead, we should be looking at ways to create more leisure and quality time for families and people in general i.e. the parents as well. It's crazy that we have this system where some parents work ridiculous hours, struggle to get school holiday leave and have to put their children in childcare excessively. There is a lot of research on the multidimensional impact this can have at the societal, family and individual level so it makes huge sense to be looking at ways to make all jobs more family orientated and actually encouraging a better work/life balance in general, even for non parents.
Shoving children in school even more and scrapping their holidays is the last thing we should be doing.

Spikeyball · 29/05/2018 12:37

"Boredom breeds resilience and initiative
summer holidays are great for boredom"

Boredom just breeds meltdowns in this house. I'm happy with school holidays as they are but finding things to do and places that are suitable to go to is a real problem with some children.

BoneyBackJefferson · 29/05/2018 12:39

the cheaper holiday thing is amusing.
Posters don't seem to realise that their cheap holidays will come up in price as those that were expensive will drop until it levels out.

As has been posted many times on the thread, take away the holidays and watch the rest of the profession say fuck it and walk away.

Narkle · 29/05/2018 12:44

Can I ask something that doesn't seem to have been considered in 16 pages of this thread so far? Why is it that the majority of children, their parents and teachers should have to suffer for what is arguably a minority of people, whose children suffer during the holidays?

I work in a school with extremely high levels of deprivation and everything that brings with it - children of the eternally jobless (for whichever reason, of which there are many), children of drug addicts, children at risk - you name it, most of our children have experienced it. So I know and understand what happens to these children during the holidays.

But funnily enough, school isn't the answer for them. It isn't in term time, when they'd far rather care for their siblings/ parents, work in their after-school jobs or visit their mental health team. It would be even less so if we extended the term.

I sometimes get the feeling that mumsnetters who argue how much more school would help those in poverty have never experienced working with children who are properly poor. Well, I have. And aside from my own health, which has suffered greatly this year teaching 25+ children for however many lessons a day, teaching them stuff they don't need and which isn't relevant to them in the slightest in order to get them a qualification, which won't help them much, these children can barely cope with the demands of school as it is.

School isn't the answer to all of society's ills. We need more free activities (I live well away from my school, but in a council with lots of free, volunteer-run stuff on offer during the holidays), better access to food banks, better social care, more health visitors, more social workers. Not more structured lessons, more irrelevant knowledge.

And as for the vast majority of children, who do not live in poverty: they need this time to become socially aware and socially competent. Because one thing driven out of schools for the sake of better behaviour and constant learning is actual unstructured time, in which the kids learn all the soft communication skills they will actually need later on in life.

And I, for one, like spending time with my children. We go on holiday once a year and we barely do costly things over the others - maybe one or two high-cost parks or swimming places in a year. But my children do other stuff, which they would not have time for otherwise: build dens, go on long walks, do simple crafts with rubbish and natural materials, write postcards and letters, have Nerf gun fights, play ball or whatever else it is that we fancy.

By the way, our childcare costs are horrendous; we pay for 12 hours a day, 5 days a week and retainers over the holidays. Comes with being a teacher, but I still prefer that to not being able to see them at all.

Cut the holidays and count me out.

SureIusedtobetaller · 29/05/2018 13:23

As others have said:
Schools have no money- how would they pay for the extra teaching time and cover for the teachers who are off?
It’s reeeeeeeally hard to recruit teachers already. I realise lots of people think we are just whingers - but we are whingers who are leaving the profession in droves. I know of several schools who can’t get enough teachers for Sept.
Teachers use those holidays to work. Ok I’ll read a book and meet friends for coffee this week. I’m also planning next half term and writing reports- because I can’t do it any other time.
I have literally no idea how you could make it work curriculum wise. Bad enough when you teach a three week English unit only to have one child off for the whole writing week and one child who missed learning all the features.

And breathe....

Boredandtired · 29/05/2018 13:40

@narkle great post and something I was thinking about. Particularly regarding the 'poor' children who would be 'better off in school'

RebelRogue · 29/05/2018 14:00

I don't think it would be just teachers either.. I don't see a lot of the support staff(TA,admin,cooks etc) staying either. Ofc they might just be fired and anyways to fund the extra hours for the teachers.

user546425732 · 29/05/2018 14:03

The last week before the holidays is already spent watching movies or playing games

Utter bollocks in my experience. I've never seen more than one afternoon doing this and I can't remember that last time I saw that.

Chattymummyhere · 29/05/2018 14:37

I think children and workers should have more holidays personally. We already live to work rather than work to live. My children normally start counting down the days three weeks before the holidays start for every half term. They are shattered getting up at 7am every morning last half term one day the older two slept in till the 10:30am I wasn’t about to wake them up they clearly needed the rest. Playing out with friends, building dens, riding bikes and getting to know nature. We all need more down time away from school/work.

Angelil · 29/05/2018 17:27

Just try being a teacher for 5 mins and then say that OP.

Carriecakes80 · 29/05/2018 17:32

I thank God that I home ed my four, as people like you really don't get how bloody hard school life is for kids these days.

Kids need time to play, and be kids, and with more and more daft rules being invented every other day, I am so glad my lot are out of it.

Kids cannot be ill, kids cannot run when its icy, no snowball fights, no climbing trees, no going out without a coat, no sneezing until break-time, no having a poo until home-time. Kids being tested at stupid ages to pigeon hole them as early as possible....from that perspective, its a bloody stupid idea.

God forbid they should be allowed home to relax and play and actually BE kids. So while yours are kept away from you as long as possible with their noses to the grindstone, I'm going to enjoy being with my lot.

simiisme · 29/05/2018 17:34

Teachers are not paid for their holidays - a little-known fact. Our salary is just spread out evenly over the year. Salaries would have to increase.
We are not babysitters, although many parents seem to think we are. Work out a minimum wage rate, per child, multiply it by 32 and by 7 - I'll take that.
Finally, do you hate your kids? Mine are on their knees with exhaustion by the end of term.

TheVanguardSix · 29/05/2018 17:36

You haven't thought this through at all, have you OP?

You are not a teacher or a parent, are you?

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