That this is a good example of the difference in the genders

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en.mogaznews.com/World-News/915265/First-woman-to-join-infantry-regiment-quits-after-two-weeks.html

Doesn't this just show that there is no such thing as gender neutrality, there never has been and never will. Women aren't suited to certain roles, and vice versa.

Women did indeed work in mines until it was outlawed on the grounds it was inappropriate for them to be working around partially clothed men in high heat. Women worked in agriculture with a baby on their back for centuries, then did strenuous house work on top of it. Of course there are physical differences between men and women but I can't swing an axe round anymore than most of my male friends because we like to sit in the pub but my 5'3 female friend in officer training can carry a 6'5 man because she has trained to do so.
It's the same logic that means makeup, fashion and hairdressing are frivolous women's pass times until men want to do it for a career. I can name far more male hairdressers and designers than I can female ones. Perhaps this reflects on my lack of interest to an extent but the male ones are usually in the public eye at least.

And no, I wouldn't want to die in a war but how many of the men forcefully conscripted did either?

OP.
Your posts are remarkably similar to the things MRAs write on twitter, reddit etc as proof that feminism has gone to far.

They are the only people I have ever heard blame WW1 on women and use mortality rates due to poor H&S to 'prove' women have it easier than men.

Is that what you are getting at?

Some very contradictory statements on here, and illogical too. But hey we all think different. Talk is cheap, it's all very well to do the talk, but the reality is different, we're obviously going round in circles here, no one wants to admit I'm right, but carry on. Nothing like a bit of delusion. Bye.

Nobody will admit you're right because you aren't!! Maybe, with all the evidence that's been presented, you need to admit you're wrong?

No circles,none. Just your erratic logic

Oh how Pathetic..

OP, you seem to be incapable of understanding that not all women are the same as you.

I would hate to join the army or be a miner. Equally, I would hate to be a nurse. Thankfully, there are other men and women who want to do these jobs. We are all different. What is so bloody hard to understand?

What do you say to the fact that women in some countries do lots of the heavy labour in the construction industry? Are those women somehow physically different from women in the West? Is there a reason why they might want to do the work that women here might not choose to do? Are they unnatural for working in the field that they do? Or are they just trying to make a living, like many of the men who work in those jobs as well?

purple daisies

well, there's the obvious one of carrying another human being in your body for nine months (often while working,caring for other children) and then pushing it out of your body through a 10cm hole.

Listen to this, OP:

Because those of us who do these jobs, and do them damned well (construction worker here) are fucking sick to death of the constant, low level attitude that we can’t / shouldn’t/ shouldn’t want to do the job. ... And THAT is why women often drop out or don’t progress beyond the training stage, the unrelenting pressure that you shouldn’t be there. Not that the job is physically Beyond us.*

Other good reason to be angry: we have children and want them to have a chance to choose a job that suits them as individuals without having to fight against the prejudice of other people.

100 years ago, the job I love, and am actually quite suited to, would have been out of my reach because it was just assumed that little lady brains couldn't cope with Latin manuscripts and certainly couldn't stand up to the pressure of academic debate.

65 years ago, my mother was shunted into a profession that she was unhappy in throughout her working life, because it was considered a suitable occupation for women. She could have done so much better for herself.

120 years ago, there was hardly any choice available at all for many people anyway- but funnily enough, those of my ancestors who were poor enough to have to do so did heavy physical work regardless of gender. Because survival. It killed my greatgrandfather. So male gender no protection there.

i always find these posts annoying
have worked construction
been a roofer
was a trainer for mountineer rescue crews and firefighters and parachute rescue jumpers.
this included,repelling,climbing sheer cliffs,diving ,jumping out of a plane,wading into forest fires.all carrying a 60lb survival gear pack
and before anyone makes any comments.
until i turned 50,i was 5'10 and 130lbs.

i had about 30% of female trainees and the females who made the grade outnumbered the % of men.
i also raised 2 boys and built and road motorcycles.

many women serve in combat and are highly decorated for courage under fire.

Talk is cheap, it's all very well to do the talk, but the reality is different, we're obviously going round in circles here, no one wants to admit I'm right, but carry on. Nothing like a bit of delusion. Bye.

Ah, ok. Forgive me for thinking that you actually wanted to discuss this. You just wanted a platform to spout your sexist fuckwittery. We shouldn't have wasted our time.

Nothing like a bit of delusion.

So are you saying that posters on here are deluded about the fact that they work in the construction industry or the Armed Forces? That really they are sitting at home crocheting cushion covers: they just think they have been deployed to the frontline?

And historical records showing women working in mines and serving on battle-fields are what? delusion? fakes?

OP you seem unaware that women and children were banned from working down mines in the UK in 1842. The ban was only lifted for women in the early 90s when the UK government was forced to change the law by Europe. (Can't remember which court.)

So if you are female and wanted to be a mining engineer when we actually had a decent mining industry, then the only way of completing your training and getting a job was by going abroad.

And Bernie Grant illustrated what the problem was if you were non-white and wanted to do so, as the country who required lots of mining engineers was South Africa.

I don't get going on about whether most women would be happy with those jobs when it's acknowledged that most men wouldn't, didn't, and don't like them either or that the men were forced into it. Yes, in generations past and in many places today men, particularly poor men, are pushed and sometimes forced to do a lot of difficult shitty stuff that wasn't asked of women, there was and is difficult shitty stuff for both sexes which are sometimes different types of shit which is sometimes based on sex difference or the perception of those differences.

Yes, [https://fairplayforwomen.com/biological-sex-differences/ there are a lot of physical differences between the sexes on average]. I was reading something the other day that I can't find now on evidence that on average during puberty tear ducts and tear glands change differently in males and females which might make it slightly physically harder for adult males to cry but that doesn't entirely take away from the social pressures not to either nor does it mean that is true for every individual.

We can make plenty of statements on averages but that doesn't and shouldn't take away from individuals. We are more than the identity collectives we can be put into. None of this explains how one woman dropping out proves anything about women as a whole. People drop out of stuff all the time... I know several people who dropped out of high school or uni, that doesn't mean that those things are beyond people of their sexes.

Lambeth used to have at least one woman bin collector.

Hair pinned up in a smart chignon too.

Fixing link: There are a lot of physical differences between the sexes on average.

Never see bin women, road diggers, building site labourers, scaffolders, roofers, sewage workers, ariel riggers, deep sea fisher women.......the list is endless. Obviously you'll get the odd few, but most women wouldn't even WANT to do those jobs.

I was working on the roads in the 80s and the 90s. Apparently I was invisible. Also - ostracised and excluded. I lasted 14 years though with that cloak of invisibility. It was fucking hard work - not the job itself just dealing with the incessant bullshit and bullying that goes with it.

It’s a really daft put down I see it on mn loads. I have never encountered x therefore it can’t be true
Well,I have never met a female astronaut but I know they exist

As for the crying bit, never read anything older than the reign of Queen Victoria if you want to retain faith in boys who don't cry. From Homer onwards, literature is full of men sobbing their hearts out. Those tear ducts never stopped Achilles.

Rubbish. Lots of women are suited to combat-depends on the individual and unit/regiment.
As for the arduousness, what do you think infantrymen carry in combat? A rifle and a backpack.
As for combat training, a sample size of 1 is not representative.

literature is full of men sobbing their hearts out. Those tear ducts never stopped Achilles
Fantastic,what a great observation

Ugh. I'm serving. I command a squadron of men and women and in honesty, all of them would be pissed off by this.

I can't be arsed to explain why but they make me proud on a daily basis. You've no idea.

Each one of them is an exemplar and I've zero doubt that almost all of the population would be pleased to be served by them.

Ugh. Every day. Ugh at people like the OP.

Thank you Genvonklinkerhoffen for what you & your colleagues do
I appreciate it

Genvonklinkerhoffen, I think you will find you are deluded and that you are in fact seated in your boudoir gently dabbing eau de cologne at your maiden-like cheeks whilst sighing tenderly at the rugged bravery of your male relatives.

Because the OP knows best. What with being a woman and all that.

I do almost nothing compared to the people I look after. Honestly, they're unbelievable.

I just make sure their boots fit and their post gets through...