To not understand how some can believe the earth is flat?

[crunchymint]

I have a friend who seems intelligent, well read and is lovely. And yet she believes the earth is flat. She shares on social media posts "explaining" this fact.
How can someone like this possibly believe this? I really don't understand.

Its a matter of record that many personal items from the crash site were recovered. Planting evidence is running when not being chased.

The idea that the passport couldn't survive when other paper items did is ludicrous .

Caribou,

So your saying the FBI faked evidence?

Ah, flat earthers.

Antivaxxers, moon landing conspiracists, holocaust deniers and flat earthers all share a common platform in my view.

@A4710Rider well it's got scientific standing. It can't be firmly proven either way.

Its a matter of record that many personal items from the crash site were recovered.

You can many of them in the museum. Note that it includes items like shoes and business cards.

collection.911memorial.org/

By the way, papers were flying all over lower Manhattan for days. Lots of things didn't burn in fire

Of course they didn't. Where did I say that everything burned?

I just can't ignore the fact that the passport was probably on the person of the hijacker and that the plane was the direct source of the 1500 degree fireball. So, at the most, the passport was 100ft away from the initial ignition. But it survived, made it's way out of the centre of the building and then floated to the street.

Note that it includes items like shoes and business cards

Of course it does. It's obvious that lots of things outside of the initial fire ball would have survived.

I just can't ignore the fact that the passport was probably on the person of the hijacker and that the plane was the direct source of the 1500 degree fireball.

Both those statements have pretty big issues, particularly the second.

Way up there with the suggestion that the fire needed to have been hot enough to melt steel for the towers to fall.

The passport(s) is but one tiny item on a list of things that happened that weren't, in my opinion, properly explained.

I think the whole 9-11 conspiracy comes from some of the American people not wanting to believe that someone could and would deliberately target them.

But it survived, made it's way out of the centre of the building and then floated to the street.

First, the entire bodies of the planes did not enter the WTC. After the buildings collapsed large parts of the aircraft fell into the streets. Second, one or both planes were carrying sacks of US Postal Service mail. Two letters were found "that just floated to the street":

www.nytimes.com/2001/12/20/us/a-nation-challenged-aftermath-one-letter-s-odyssey-helps-mend-a-wound.html

Really, come to NYC. Spend half a day at the museum. They have all of the video and photographic evidence there in addition to the artifacts. Then make a holiday of it.

Wait...the earth's nor flat?

The most entertaining conspiracy theory is that Finland does not exist.

Simon,

That's a convenient way of ignoring all of the strange things that happened that day.

*not

Easy way to debunk flat earth theory. Depending on where your friend lives - for example, the UK, get them to phone another flat earther in, for example, Australia, & ask what the position of the sun is, at that exact time. Is it dawn, midday, dusk, or night. Unless the other flat earther is in on the conspiracy, there's the proof of the curvature of the earth.

Of course, your friend will disbelieve the proof. I'm acquainted with the type. Some of my family don't believe in dinosaurs, because they aren't in the bible. Put there by the devil to trick us, apparently.

First, the entire bodies of the planes did not enter the WTC

Have you not seen the videos?

Really, come to NYC

I've been, it's great.

For the record, both "black boxes" belonging to the planes were destroyed on impact. This is a recorded fact. The black boxes are almost indestructible yet they perished, but a passport didn't. Who writes this stuff?

That's a convenient way of ignoring all of the strange things that happened that day.

Or perhaps some things are just coincidence.

You don’t think it’s a conspiracy when you meet someone from the next street when you are on holiday or that your next door neighbour has the same birthday as you.

Just because some odd things happened it doesn’t point to some conspiracy.

There were many thousand of people involved in that days from people on the plane, in the WTC to people on the street or in neighbouring buildings.

Or perhaps some things are just coincidence

Coincidences do happen, I'm a fan of them. But when you start to get 15 to 20 coincidences following each other.....then, personally speaking, you just get a bit uncomfortable with it.

Here's a picture of some of the aircraft wreckage outside the WTC site.

When you visited Gotham did you skip the 9/11 museum? You seem so interested in the event.

*For the record, both "black boxes" belonging to the planes were destroyed on impact. This is a recorded fact.^

Is it? What is the evidence that they were destroyed on impact, not in the fire or building collapse?

The black boxes are almost indestructible
No. They’re tough but have documented failure levels.

Who writes this stuff?

Someone with a better grasp of science than wherever you’re getting your info?

We all could be living in a simulation

This theory seems to get more traction every year.

Well it's impossible to disprove . And it's not so whacko that Prof. Brian Cox refures it (whereas catch him tearing moon hoaxers a new one).

If we are living in a simulation, maybe the bits we can't explain (like gravity !) are just where the designers couldn't be bothered to make it up ....

Caribou,

So your saying the FBI faked evidence?

Not, I'm with Occam's razor on this and all conspiracy theories. I was suggesting that if people wanted a conspiracy theory wrt 9/11, this is the least ridiculous. IMO.

Someone with a better grasp of science than wherever you’re getting your info

You can try and belittle me if you like. A passport survived the impact and resulting fireball. A flight recorder didn't.

What's scientific about that?

Miss Conduct,

I don't mean to be rude but I'm not sure what your point is.