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To ask our British sisters for help?

329 replies

Hideandgo · 25/05/2018 09:35

Repeal the 8th. You may not have a vote today but if you are willing, could you show support for the yes vote for us Irish women on social media? I’m sure many of you have Irish friends and if it encourages just one more person not to forget to vote it would be worth it.

I had a termination when I was 22 and felt deeply shocked and less than human when the Irish nurse told me ‘we don’t do that here’ when I asked about my choices. Luckily I was living abroad (just coincidently at home when I found out) so had one as soon as I got back to the country I was living in but I avoided tying myself to an increasingly abusive man who would have been able to take my baby from me and force me out of the country if he’d wished.

I credit my 4 beautiful children, my kind, supportive husband and my freedom to be the kind of Mum I always wanted to be from that decision.

So many Irish women have a loaded gun to their heads when they find out they are pregnant and it’s wrong to force them to become a Mum. This doesn’t even take into account all the mishandled miscarriages and devastating cases of foetal abnormality. Every woman is vulnerable to a miscarriage that doesn’t resolve immediately and Irish women have been forced to hold on to a dying heartbeat till they themselves have septicaemia and/or PTSD. It’s barbaric and wrong. And makes women feel useless and dehumanised.

Please help us.

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jedishelly1 · 25/05/2018 22:29

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Ifonlyfor1day · 25/05/2018 22:29

I feel it is a definite yes, lots the older ladies my mams friend's late 60s are supporting yes.

As they voted yes for the same sex marriage referendum, they were thrilled with the result.

MrsTerryPratchett · 25/05/2018 22:35

I have everything crossed that the exit poll is accurate.

Thank you to all the amazing women who have shared their stories.

gingercat02 · 25/05/2018 22:42

If the exit poll is right fair play Ireland 🇨🇮

AuntyElle · 25/05/2018 22:45

This is appalling but then amazing 🤞🏽: twitter.com/crankyoulwan/status/1000106043416903680

GColdtimer · 25/05/2018 22:54

I have been sharing. Really hope the exit poll is right. #hometovote has had me blubbing today.

Butterymuffin · 25/05/2018 23:03

I don't see how it can be that far wrong. Think we may be able to start celebrating! Good work everyone who voted yes.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 25/05/2018 23:16

Three cheers! Wine

AngeloMysterioso · 25/05/2018 23:23

RTÉ exit poll

To ask our British sisters for help?
BoreOfWhabylon · 25/05/2018 23:25

Oh, this is splendid!

Oswin · 25/05/2018 23:26

Bloody hell i hope with all my heart they are right.

Butterymuffin · 25/05/2018 23:28

RTE exit poll 69.4% Yes! Incredible

Agustarella · 25/05/2018 23:30

YABU, sorry. As someone who has been pressured to abort a healthy foetus (I didn't do it!) this 'sister' is not going to abet the killing of healthy foetuses in Ireland. Your country's existing abortion law is not perfect, but an abortion free-for-all like in the UK does not help vulnerable women and families - far from it.

AngeloMysterioso · 25/05/2018 23:35

Agustarella - there is absolute no justifying pressuring someone to abort a wanted baby. But that’s not a good enough reason to force other women to continue their pregnancies against their will or at risk of continued pain and suffering for them or their baby.

CopONNotLinkedIn · 25/05/2018 23:35

Wow... I'm so relieved. This is amazing. I was so worried it'd be 51% to the nos, or something so painful like that.

Cwenthryth · 25/05/2018 23:37

Agust - read the room, really.

68%, 69.4%.... wow! Amazing result. I feel slightly overwhelmed with the emotion of it I can scarcely imagine how this feels for Irish women. The stories of women having their chemo treatment stopped if their periods stop until they can prove they’re not pregnant...disgusting.

Well done, Ireland. You’ve done it!

Now - the women of Northern Ireland need the same.

MiggeldyHiggins · 25/05/2018 23:39

YABU, sorry. As someone who has been pressured to abort a healthy foetus (I didn't do it!) this 'sister' is not going to abet the killing of healthy foetuses in Ireland

sorry for you, but thats a shitty reason to torture thousands of other women. Luckily those days are finally over!!

Moonkissedlegs · 25/05/2018 23:39

Agust - read the room, really.

I know, right?!

BalaBrith · 25/05/2018 23:40

I'm finding this whole thing so moving, especially the hashtag on Twitter of people going back to Ireland to vote, and also the older generation being in support of it. Pob Lwc (good luck in 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿) to all you lovely Irish ladies and I hope you get the right result. The exit polls are looking so promising Thanks

Agustarella · 25/05/2018 23:44

@AngeloMysterioso "there is absolute no justifying pressuring someone to abort a wanted baby." No, but that's the way it works in reality. People not taking responsibility and then taking it out on an unborn child.

I feel very sad about this.

viques · 25/05/2018 23:57

agustarella I am sorry for your experience, but when you say "that is the way it happens in reality " then remember that currently for many thousands of Irish women the reality is :

Live with an unwanted pregnancy, possibly even as the result of rape

Buy medication over the Internet and hope you have found a reputable site.selling pills that work and are not toxic.

Buy medication over the Internet , deal with the termination without medical advice.

Find the money to get to the UK and pay for a termination in a clinic, travel home, live with a secret for the rest of your life.

Find someone who a friend of a friend assures you will do you a "safe" termination.

Fingers crossed the exit polls are accurate, and that after this there will be moves to ensure that UK citizens who live in NI are also given control over their bodies.

AngeloMysterioso · 25/05/2018 23:59

People not taking responsibility and then taking it out on an unborn child.

Rape victims aren’t avoiding responsibility. Cancer patients aren’t avoiding responsibility. Teenage girls who haven’t been taught about contraception aren’t avoiding responsibility. Women carrying babies that won’t survive outside the womb arent avoiding responsibility.

This is one area the No campaign got it wrong. Reducing the argument down to just unwanted babies. It has always been so much bigger than that.

MrsTerryPratchett · 26/05/2018 00:01

Countries with liberal laws about contraception, sex education and abortion have FEWER abortions.

If you actually care about the number of abortions, and not punishing women for being feckless and irresponsible, you should be pro-choice.

MrsTerryPratchett · 26/05/2018 00:06

In the UK, a 'free for all' has 200,000 abortions a year, safe and legal, including all those Irish and Northern Irish women. Columbia, abortion is illegal; 300,000 illegal abortions a year where it is the third cause of maternal mortality.

If you want to reduce deaths, and prevent abortions, legalize abortion.

ErrolTheDragon · 26/05/2018 00:09

pressured to abort a healthy foetus

That's appalling. Two wrongs don't make a right though.

Being pro choice and pro women's rights means also supporting women who choose not to abort.

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