Ethics regarding Instamums and huns

[BurberryIsSo2000]

Homeisthecalm here, I think it's suitable to start a new ethics thread.

Since clearly, the one from yesterday isn't really about ethics but Clemmie.

Thanks all,

Keep it as nice or as stingy as you like

I'll start off by saying things should be clearly marked 'ad' or 'gifted'

Although the term gifted gives me the rage

What a witch hunt, honestly. She removed the kk hashtag that had caused offense. She apologized regarding the dms. What more do you want from her, exactly?

His post is simply trying to reinforce her position as a victim. ‘She’s amazing’ ‘she wouldn’t hurt a fly’, okay...

What would’ve been smarter is to own up to the clusterfuck comments, apologise for letting things unravel to that point and promise to moderate things more fairly and rigorously in future. And then actually do it.

That’s what any PR person worth their fee should have advised them to do. Admit the current running of things isn’t working and propose some changes to address it.

Not go down the route of ‘she’s a goddess!’ ‘she delivers babies and wears nice clothes’ ‘she’s untouchable!’ The same thing’s just gonna happen all over again.

I think the biggest issue is the difference of mindset between IG and MN. On here, even in this thread, you get posters who don't agree with each other or what's being discussed, but such disagreements are dealt with by posters engaging, and challenging each other which often develops the discussion further. I don't see that on IG, it seems there you can only express the same opinion as everyone else or be jumped on for it. Also, I've been really shocked by the language some posters on IG use, not in general discussion but directly at others, way more derogatory and direct than I've ever seen on here. And they get away with it! At least on here if someone is out of line they'll get pulled up on it, and not necessarily by moderators either.

So no hashtags for anything,ever? Surely hash tagging something as appalling as that isn't quite the same.

When I say 'bullying comments', anyone who had posted a comment questioning MOD's post had some quite nasty feedback (eg, someones disabled child was even mentioned) from MOD's followers, it's those comments I'm referring to. MOD should have taken a more active role and removed them, she didn't.

I thought Mods departure was more about being called out on her comments with that book about race than the kk thing?

So she's still being ripped to shreds because of comments left by other people.

Yes how dare she not take responsibility for every comment anyone has made on her posts by deleting them...but also how dare she delete any posts - how very calculating of her... sigh.

To be fair cow she was perfectly happy to lay into Mumsnet very publicly about the 'lack of moderation' but she didn't exactly practise what she preached on that front did she?

She can’t win, really. Which is my whole point. Those who simply don’t like her never will like anything she does.

fivelittleduckies - good point when you say "what more do you want?"
It does seem like you can't do right whatever you do.
I mean, on this thread alone you have " FOD never engages. You'd think he'd be more involved in the comments. He needs to comment more."
He does start commenting more - "publicity stunt! Damage control..etc.
Does seem you really can't win on here.

cross posted with littleduckies re the can't win comment.

ISayOldChap’s post made me laugh and I agree. I had no idea before and it was a better world. Ignorance was bliss. The whole thing is ridiculous.

Oh and the crux is profit over privacy, so those kind of words do come up.

But MN owns it's forum and employs moderators. Surely we can't all be held responsible for all posts posted by other people in our feeds on SM accounts within companies we don't own.

Where exactly is MOD being ripped to shreds? No-one is getting irate, swearing or over the top. It's being debated yes, but its mostly been fact checking orientated.

Yes how dare she not take responsibility for every comment anyone has made on her posts by deleting them...but also how dare she delete any posts - how very calculating of her... sigh

Just seen this bit, made me as I actually was thinking the same thing!
She deletes posts - "how dare she delete posts it's censorship in action!"

She doesn't delete posts - "how dare she not delete posts, it's bullying in action!"

Yup. Can't win.

I've seen posts from people delving into her finances,commenting on her parenting,lambasting her for whatever she does or doesn't do- it's horrible.

She commented on a slimming lollypop that could cause a huge amount of damage amongst teenage girls. Seriously,is a bit of perspective not needed.

Nipersvest - I would say in the multiple threads with thousands of comments criticizing her every action. Doesn’t have to include profanities to be mean...

She joined a campaign to moderate mumsnet. When she was questioned about said campaign, she wanted the posts to be better moderated. However she then admitted that she was offered the opportunity to have a thread taken down but told mumsnet not to bother!
So in terms of can’t do right for wrong...mumsnet HQ could be claiming that title!

I think that as a midwife and a code of conduct to follow MOD has to be seen to be squeaky clean when it comes to her SM posts and the posts prior to her shutting down her IG showed her in a rather precarious position ( esp the book reviews)...fair enough if it had been a review of chicklit and saying she'd enjoyed reading it, however she became embroiled in a lot of 'discussion ' about a topic in which she was obviously out of her depth
If I was her line manager I'd have called her up about it

They are doing nothing wrong

Well, yes, only because fairly recently it wa s brought to attention that many of the Instas were not declaring ads, freebies, collabs. It is only fairly recently that many are realising that this is a business, rather than a lovely family with 2.4 children who met around the world and are just like you. That I believe is the crux of the matter, many of them are angered at this illusion being broken down and (just to mention a name because it is relevant) the OD's had to be creative and make their weakness their strength therefore are pulling at the heartstrings of their clients followers in order to redeem themselves.

Anybody can 'delve' into the finances of a publicly limited company as they are, in their very nature, public.

It seems that those who have decided to dislike her will not change their mind regardless of what she may or may not do now, so all of these discussions end up in an endless loop. Sadly it doesn’t feel all that productive as a ‘debate’.

Perhaps if discussions moved away from MOD and spoke more in general about IG ethics it wouldn’t feel so much like an attack on one or two individuals as the general topic is indeed an interesting one.

Nipersvest - yep, what littleduckies said. It depends on what your definition of ripped to shreds means. If you (general you) only see it as being ripped to shreds if you're swearing your head off and calling names, you maybe won't see it.
Personal digs and watching and pulling apart every single move under the umbrella of being concerned for the children etc or in the words used on here, can't remember who - she puts herself out there so she's asking for it..... it's not always about swearing.

You don't have to dislike somebody to criticise them. I have no idea if I like certain influencers, I don't know them, I'm just talking about their VERY PUBLIC content.