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I Spy with My Little Eye Something Beginning with T. - Traitorous Treasonweasels in Trumptown (Trump cont'd.)

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ohmymimi · 24/05/2018 11:18

All out effort to shore up the 'Spygate' false narrative today. I see the F and F interview is pre-recorded I wonder whyWink
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PerkingFaintly · 31/05/2018 09:56

Oh I tell a lie, it's not Cohen + Trump on the tapes, it's Cohen + Davidson (the lawyer who was representing Stormy Daniels during the settlement but has been discovered to be rather involved with the other side).

PerkingFaintly · 31/05/2018 09:58

So, I wonder, who was taping calls, Cohen or Davidson? And did they do this habitually?

If they did, what else is out there?

ohmymimi · 31/05/2018 10:05

'Kim Thong Un' NY Post today Grin

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ohmymimi · 31/05/2018 10:11

You weren't wrong Perking Smile:
www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari-melber/watch/avenatti-i-know-for-a-fact-cohen-has-a-tape-of-trump-1244978243644

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Minimammoth · 31/05/2018 10:17

Grin mimi. I wonder if he grabbed her by the pussy? Or if she put in a word for Kanye ( next pres obvs)

ohmymimi · 31/05/2018 10:22

I've just seen a clip Sneerah's cries and lies performance. Nauseating.

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PerkingFaintly · 31/05/2018 10:48

Dearie me, Trump on one of the recordings?

Also now I come to think about it, this is material seized by the FBI from Cohen, not from Davidson. Which tilts it towards Cohen having made the recordings.

Well well well. If so, I wonder what else he recorded?

ohmymimi · 31/05/2018 11:06

How authoritarians take over a democracy pt 1
Thom Hartmann

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ohmymimi · 31/05/2018 11:11

'9 Ways Authoritarianism Is Taking Hold Under Trump
The president and his neo-authoritarian acolytes are following an ancient playbook.'
By Thom Hartmann / Independent Media Institute May 29, 2018, 6:37 AM GMT

www.alternet.org/right-wing/9-ways-trumps-authoritarianism-taking-hold

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ohmymimi · 31/05/2018 11:18

Hopefully one day we will find out, Perking. And, because the Trumpiverse moves helter skelter on permanent fast forward, everything that could hold it to account feels even more on slowmo.

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PerkingFaintly · 31/05/2018 11:22

This is a good, short primer on the use of social media misinformation, by a former FBI agent who wrote a book, "Messing With the Enemy: Surviving in a Social Media World of Hackers, Terrorists, Russians, and Fake News".

(It's not saying anything radically new, but draws things together well and is about 5 mins long. Useful for sharing if needed.)

www.msnbc.com/brian-williams/watch/why-russia-knew-its-2016-misinformation-campaign-would-work-1245141059865

[The Russia government] perfected it on their own people first. The Russian people are the ones most subjected to this disinformation system. They learned long ago that the only thing worse than no information is too much information. This is how they went from the Soviet Union where they controlled everything to Russia now where they just annihilate you with so much information you can't tell fact from fiction.

The other thing that the Russian information system really understands is, infiltrate audiences by looking like and talking like the audience you want to influence. So that's why the troll farm, those accounts are so important because they look like Americans and they talk like Americans and they're saying things that sound very American which allows you then nudge that audience in the direction that you want.

He then talks about American organisations doing the same thing, and the global alt-right.

ohmymimi · 31/05/2018 11:24

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/31/donald-trump-holds-summit-with-kim-kardashian-west
(Hands above the desk,mini!)

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ohmymimi · 31/05/2018 11:35

Thanks for drawing attention to that ,Perking, BW has slipped off my radar recently, and I like Clint! (Great prescience by his parents in naming him, that is definitely a 'Clint' face!)

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PerkingFaintly · 31/05/2018 11:38

Yes, sorry, should have included ex-FBI chap's name: Clint Watts, author of "Messing With the Enemy: Surviving in a Social Media World of Hackers, Terrorists, Russians, and Fake News"

PerkingFaintly · 31/05/2018 11:39

The hair is definitely a Clint.Grin

Gumpendorf · 31/05/2018 11:47

Perking. Thanks for the Avenatti background. I'm finding the Avenatti side show is distracting and confusing.

It would be sweet if there were tapes given the Comey references and the throwback to Nixon.

ohmymimi · 31/05/2018 11:57

'How religion changed the presidency—and vice versa'
Reza Aslan
Religious Scholar, Author
'Are fundamentalist Christians a dangerous religious cult? Possibly. The controversial author and religious scholar Reza Aslan posits that President Donald Trump has much of his evangelical fan-base believing that he's somehow been anointed by God to become President. Nevermind the Russian election scandal, his affairs with porn stars and unwarranted sexual acts towards women, or his inability to remember even a single Bible verse when asked. Evangelical Christians are abandoning their core moral beliefs to follow, as Reza suggests, someone who exhibits every trademark of a cult leader. And that should terrify anyone on either side of the political spectrum. Reza's latest book is God: A Human History.'

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ohmymimi · 31/05/2018 12:03

'How America Got Divorced from Reality: Christian Utopias, Anti-Elitism, and the Media Circus'
Kurt Andersen
Author and Podcaster
'Since a boat of religious fanatics with buckles on their hats hit the shores near Plymouth Rock and claimed that this was their utopia, America has always been a little bit crazy. It's this kind of wide-eyed "anything can happen if you believe" mentality that, at its best, can produce incredible art. But at its worst, it can be cruel and conspiratorial. We live in a country where people refuse to believe vaccination can help you and where a White House is spinning "alternative — but Kurt Andersen is here to say that this is nothing new. At the time of the Civil War, society had become split by two sides that refused to listen to each other. Back then, the political and social divide is stoked by a hyperbolic partisan media where anyone could publish whatever they wanted in a pamphlet without fact-checking. Sound familiar? It definitely should. Kurt's latest book is appropriately titled Fantasyland: How America Went Haywire.'

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ohmymimi · 31/05/2018 12:36

'Saving Sessions: Inside the GOP effort to protect the AG
By JONATHAN LEMIRE, ERIC TUCKER and LISA MASCARO
apnews.com/amp/9f341490400a4058ace6e4c1acd5c1b6?__twitter_impression=true

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lionheart · 31/05/2018 12:41

Reverse shredding.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16036967#

ohmymimi · 31/05/2018 12:48

'Russian foreign minister meets Kim Jong Un, calls for lifting of sanctions'
By Steve George, CNN

Updated 0942 GMT (1742 HKT) May 31, 2018
edition.cnn.com/2018/05/31/asia/sergey-lavrov-north-korea-intl/index.html

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ohmymimi · 31/05/2018 13:00

'Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe has turned over a memo he drafted related to the firing of his former boss, FBI Director James Comey, to the special counsel's office, according to a source familiar with the matter.

The document, first reported by The New York Times, details McCabe's impressions of a meeting with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein where the subject of Comey's firing came up after he had been dismissed, according to the source.
In the meeting, Rosenstein said President Donald Trump had initially asked him to reference the Russia investigation. Rosenstein ultimately authored a controversial memo outlining the ways Comey had flouted Justice Department protocols leading up to the 2016 election but did not mention the Russia probe.
The source confirmed to CNN that McCabe's memo recounting this meeting with Rosenstein, as well as an early draft of Trump's letter firing Comey, has been turned over to special counsel Robert Mueller. What exactly Trump's draft letter says and when it was turned over remain unclear.
The President and his allies have pointed to Rosenstein's memo in the past, questioning why he has not stepped aside from overseeing Mueller's investigation given his role in the firing of Comey.
But CNN reported in April that Rosenstein has consulted with the career ethics adviser at the Justice Department about this issue and continues to oversee the probe.
The Justice Department declined to comment.
As CNN previously reported, McCabe has turned over his other contemporaneous notes to Mueller, which detail what Comey shared with McCabe about his private interactions with Trump while he was FBI director.'

edition.cnn.com/2018/05/30/politics/andrew-mccabe-rod-rosenstein-memo/index.html

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cozietoesie · 31/05/2018 15:08

Mr Noah. 'Sometimes it pays to slow down'. (Not that anyone on this thread needs the advice.)

cozietoesie · 31/05/2018 15:30

"The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico."

A Guardian piece.

Opening salvo in trade war

ohmymimi · 31/05/2018 16:05

Why this reminder of pardon power today? What could be on his mind Hmm :
Jim Sciutto
@jimsciutto
in fact, when D'Souza pled guilty, he said the following: “I knew that causing a campaign contribution to be made in the name of another was wrong and something the law forbids I deeply regret my conduct.”
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Will be giving a Full Pardon to Dinesh D’Souza today. He was treated very unfairly by our government!

mobile.twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1002201970151706625

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