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King Charles and Queen Camilla

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LoveInTokyo · 16/05/2018 07:36

AIBU to wonder why so many people seem to think this will not happen?

I can understand why a lot of people abroad seem to think it’s likely that Prince Charles will just hand over the crown straight to William because he’s younger and more popular. Most countries don’t have royal families, and in some European monarchies routine abdication is something that actually happens.

But I was reading some of the completely mental royal wedding threads on here and was surprised by the number of similar comments. I particularly enjoyed one Daily Express reader’s person’s comment about how the public would never accept Camilla as queen.

I don’t think most people give a shiny shit whether Camilla is Queen or not, but those that do have an issue with it will have to get used to the idea. Prince Charles didn’t have to give up his place in the line of succession when he married her, therefore unless the Queen outlives Charles, he will be king and Camilla will be queen!

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SouthWestmom · 16/05/2018 10:07

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1552076/Charles-wants-Camilla-to-be-crowned-queen.html

In 2007 he was apparently keen to have her as Queen - this was two years after they married. Says it's automatic she's Queen and would need an Act of Parliament to change that.

CaliforniaDream · 16/05/2018 10:07

He wouldn't abdicate but he might predecease the Queen.

I'm not really fussed about the Royals either way but I think Charles could be a disastrous king because he has proven himself incapable of refraining from meddling in the affairs of government and the British public's willingness to accept the monarchy will not stretch so far as to allow him to do so.

diodati · 16/05/2018 10:08

Charles wished he was a tampon... presumably so he could be in Camilla's vagina.

BeyondPink · 16/05/2018 10:08

Head of the church can be divorced, that's the whole reason our monarch is head of the church, and not the pope

derxa · 16/05/2018 10:08

Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith
This is the Queen's title amongst many. She is not 'Queen of England'

Demiguise · 16/05/2018 10:09

To the PP who said that Kate isn't a princess, that's incorrect. She is a Princess of the United Kingdom (as evidenced by the children's birth certificates), but as duchess is actually a higher-ranking title, she uses that instead. I believe Meghan will become Princess Henry, Duchess of whichever dukedom the Queen confers on Harry after his marriage (likely to be Sussex).

As for Charles, I have a great deal of respect for him - he's an intelligent man. Sure, he has his flaws, but don't we all? We are still a monarchy, and the lines of succession mean that it's his right and duty to ascend to the throne on his mother's death, no matter what we might think.

NotAnotherNoughtiesTune · 16/05/2018 10:10

My husband has met Camilla and she's a very polite and sincere lady from the small glance he got.

I think it's ridiculous to judge Camilla more than Charles to be honest. Sexism of the Monarchy at its best. If Lizzie had male consorts come into public view she would've been shunned beyond compare but it's expected of male members of the Monarchy to have mistresses.

Camilla has as much right as anyone who marries into the Royak Family.

diodati · 16/05/2018 10:11

I can't take a man seriously who confesses he wants to be a tampon. Especially not as the future monarch.

LaurieMarlow · 16/05/2018 10:13

he's an intelligent man

I don't think there's a huge amount of evidence to support this statement.

The80sweregreat · 16/05/2018 10:16

Mum, they gave the blessing for them to marry - i think they can overturn any kind of problems about her being divorced to become Queen.

Or maybe its just on the back burner for now and they will think of a title
for her once it becomes clear that the Queen is going to die. i think thats going to be a good few years yet/

MiggeldyHiggins · 16/05/2018 10:19

This is the Queen's title amongst many. She is not 'Queen of England

She is Queen of the United Kingdom, which means by definition she is Queen of England, Queen of Scotland, Queen of Wales, and Queen of NI. She is also Queen of Jamaica, Grenada, and plenty of others.

Idontbelieveinthemoon · 16/05/2018 10:21

I like the thought of her becoming Queen; she seems a nice enough sort and hasn't made any gaffes since they were married (unless I've missed them).

The immediate unit of Royals I like well enough, it's the 'extras' that I'm not so sure on; the whole Andrew/Fergie/Edward lot seem a little surplus to requirements these days.

The80sweregreat · 16/05/2018 10:22

Laurie, i think he is intelligent in some areas of life, but with others he hasnt a clue. Someone who has other people to put toothpaste on their tooth brush and lay out their clothes for them must be lacking in some things! I think he is probably a bit pompous. I bet his mum does her own colgate and has a bit more nous somehow, she seems a bit more ' of this world' than he does, but i have never met any of them so its only speculation my part.

derxa · 16/05/2018 10:24

She is Queen of the United Kingdom, which means by definition she is Queen of England, Queen of Scotland, Queen of Wales, and Queen of NI. She is also Queen of Jamaica, Grenada, and plenty of others. Yes but people who say 'Queen of England' use that term meaning Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It's very Anglocentric. It's a subtle or not so subtle insult to us non English people.

JamieVardysHavingAParty · 16/05/2018 10:25

She is a Princess of the United Kingdom (as evidenced by the children's birth certificates), but as duchess is actually a higher-ranking title, she uses that instead.

Could be, but I thought Princess was higher. I think she uses Duchess because she's presently only entitled to the title of Princess William. If I were in her place, I'd prefer Duchess too. Grin

MiggeldyHiggins · 16/05/2018 10:25

I really have no idea what they mean, she's not my queen. I'm just commenting on the actual meaning of the words.

The80sweregreat · 16/05/2018 10:27

i agree that its the 'hangers on' that make the RF a bit of a laughing stock - They will all be there on Saturday in their finery, they all probably don't get along that well themselves. its those lot that need to just go away and live their own lives without any help from the taxpayers.

Sunnymeg · 16/05/2018 10:32

If there is going to be an issue over her title, it may well come from the C of E over whether they are happy to accept a divorcee whose first husband is still alive as Queen Consort to the Head of the Church of England and whether they are prepared to crown her as Queen Consort. Charles was a widower when he married her, so there is no issue with his right to be Head of the Church of England . I suspect they will just rubber stamp her as Queen, but if they do want to take issue, this will be their reasoning.

Saltcrust · 16/05/2018 10:34

Just for the record (I know the thread has moved on) I find it depressing that people are still buying in to and repeating the "Diana was mad" line. This was a deliberately malicious and mysogynistic misrepresentation of her put about by Charles's cronies in order to discredit her, once it became clear that she wasn't going to toe the line and "go quietly" and she became a threat to the establishment. It's a strategy that powerful men have used against their wives for generations.

Yes Diana admitted to having an eating disorder, but one in four of us have a mh issue at some time in our lives, and given her extremely dysfunctional childhood, and the forensic attention paid to her by a voracious press which meant she couldn't nip out to buy a bag of potatoes without being pursued, I think she managed a lot better than many of us would have done in the circumstances frankly.

The80sweregreat · 16/05/2018 10:35

sunny, the ~Queen is the head of the C/E! maybe they will just ask her - they havent addressed any of these issues though as far as i know - head in sand seems to be the way to go and the Queen will live past 100 i bet, as her own mum did so they are not worried , at the moment anyway! Maybe they do have something up their sleeve? maybe Charles won't want the Crown by then?

Juells · 16/05/2018 10:36

@PoorYorick

Anyone with 'Fitz' in their surname is descended from an illegitimate but recognised son of a king.

Not usually.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitz

The80sweregreat · 16/05/2018 10:39

salt, there is a lot more understanding these days about MH issues than there was back then. I guess she was told to ' get on with it' and i did read once she even asked the Queen for a bit of help and the reply was ' his always been tempremental' or something along those lines , no help at all. My mum was the same though, they lived through the war and any problems it was always ' you have it better than we did' ' get on with it' stop making a fuss etc etc.

Saltcrust · 16/05/2018 10:45

Yes I am sure that had a great deal to do with it theeightiesweregreat - my mother was the same - but she was also briefed against.

TossDaily · 16/05/2018 10:45

Bloody hell, if we're banning people from the throne because they had extra-marital affairs, that means the whole of the royal family from time immemorial should never have had the Royal Arse on the throne.

As far as Diana goes, DP used to work with guys who went to the same gym as her. Let's just say she was a friendly sort, who was willing to help lots of lovely men have a workout Wink

Saltcrust · 16/05/2018 10:47

Duh - wish there was an edit button - meant Diana was briefed against, er, not my mother obviously ... .