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King Charles and Queen Camilla

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LoveInTokyo · 16/05/2018 07:36

AIBU to wonder why so many people seem to think this will not happen?

I can understand why a lot of people abroad seem to think it’s likely that Prince Charles will just hand over the crown straight to William because he’s younger and more popular. Most countries don’t have royal families, and in some European monarchies routine abdication is something that actually happens.

But I was reading some of the completely mental royal wedding threads on here and was surprised by the number of similar comments. I particularly enjoyed one Daily Express reader’s person’s comment about how the public would never accept Camilla as queen.

I don’t think most people give a shiny shit whether Camilla is Queen or not, but those that do have an issue with it will have to get used to the idea. Prince Charles didn’t have to give up his place in the line of succession when he married her, therefore unless the Queen outlives Charles, he will be king and Camilla will be queen!

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Juells · 16/05/2018 09:19

Haven't RTFT but I thought that when Charles and Camilla married there was some kind of undertaking that she wouldn't be queen?

BertrandRussell · 16/05/2018 09:20

And yes, historically that's how the royal family behaved. But we are talking the 1970s-not the 1770s!

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 16/05/2018 09:21

Given the whole Markle Debacle, I think Prince Charles should walk his future daughter in law down the aisle.

He has been sidelined for so long in favour of the ghost of Diana & then William and Harry.

The Queen was only married for 5 years before she acceded the throne.
She has been an irreproachable monarch but at the expense of her children.
I think they are a lot more lenient with her grandchildren because lessons have been learnt. They are not going to thrust the crown on a William to appease current popular opinion.

The Monarchy will survive as it has learned to adapt.

BertrandRussell · 16/05/2018 09:23

But they're your people, not mine. Personally, I could have no respect at all for someone who behaved like that. And the thought of curtesying to him........ick.

MurielsBottom · 16/05/2018 09:23

I always understood that "a strong sense of royal duty" meant keeping the top spot at all costs.

Tombstone I think there are arguments on both sides tbh but I do accept your point.

Mummyoflittledragon · 16/05/2018 09:24

I think King Arthur would suit him just fine . He has a gauche sense of humour and an intelligent man, used to being on the wrong side of popular opinion. Of course he’ll be king.

Allaboutalex · 16/05/2018 09:24

I don’t think Camilla should be queen but nothing to do with the woman herself. I think king and queen as titles should be equal.

At the moment Prince Philip can’t be styled king as this would make him more senior to the Queen. I think the same should be for the title Queen. So if Camilla or Catherine aren’t the same position as Queen Elizabeth they shouldn’t have the same title.

Or change it so Queen = King and you can have a King consort as well as a Queen consort. However all my RF info is from wiki so could all be nonsense.

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 16/05/2018 09:24

I think Diana was the first to cheat with her bodyguard Barry Manakee.
Charles & Diana we’re both desperately unhappy.

Yes Charles did have other married women, eg Kangaroo Tryon but I think it was only Camilla since he married.

biscuitraider · 16/05/2018 09:25

"Kings" and "queens" should have no place in a modern equal society, they should be consigned to the history books, I find it extraordinary that we still have them.

It's appalling that we have unelected people as our head of state, there purely through the accident of birth. In these enlightened times where we've rid ourselves of other ridiculous throwbacks to our violent past, i can't understand why we've still got them.

The money and privilege we throw at this family in these times of savage cutbacks to vital services is unbelievable. On the other side of the coin people are allowed to go hungry and homeless just for being poor.

Shameful.

BossWitch · 16/05/2018 09:26

I'd actually rather like it if Charles made Camilla queen in spite of public objection. I don't think the royal should be ruled by public opinion, which can be rather fickle and too easily swayed by the media. I kinda little bit like the idea that the royal family can 'rise above'!

Also, I have always thought (based on nothing!) that Camilla looks like someone who you could share a few jokes with over a pint.

Mummyoflittledragon · 16/05/2018 09:27

CurlyWurly
I had thought about something like this myself. Walking Megan down the aisle would send a strong statement for sure. It’s just decorum which dictates it’s the family of the bride, who does this as they’re giving her away. I know this is now just tradition, however, I doubt it would happen.

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LoveInTokyo · 16/05/2018 09:29

I would love it if Meghan walked down the aisle on her own to send a message that she is not a chattel to be “given away” but given all the palaver over her father it would probably be too glaringly awkward.

I would like to walk down the aisle on my own but am scared of hurting my dad’s feelings.

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HasAnyoneGotAProblemWithThat · 16/05/2018 09:30

I hope Charles becomes king & Camilla queen. I always loathed Diana. She was manipulative & attention seeking. She knew what was going on before she got married & went ahead anyway. He had to marry someone & the RF just chose badly. I read somewhere that her gran apologised to the queen for foisting Diana on them.

Sweatymoose · 16/05/2018 09:31

I have no issue with Camilla. Diana was no angel my stepdad used to call her 'the slag' and Charles loved Camilla first.

I've always thought Charles would pass it over straight to William. I can't imagine the queen abdicating before her death, it would be nice to see him on the thrown for a few years, he's waited an awful long time.

Butterymuffin · 16/05/2018 09:32

Diana was FAR from perfect, in fact she was actually very manipulative and played the press and people in general to her advantage.

She was a 19 year old girl when she was pressured into the marriage, and was used as a 'respectable' bride for Charles and breeder of the next generation. She was then told she ought to just leave her kids behind on overseas trips as that's what the Queen had done. I can see why that would make you bitter and lash out. I don't blame her for anything she did.

LaurieMarlow · 16/05/2018 09:34

She knew what was going on before she got married & went ahead anyway. He had to marry someone & the RF just chose badly. I read somewhere that her gran apologised to the queen for foisting Diana on them.

Jesus Christ, she was nineteen. And from the looks of it, no one gave the slightest shit about her as a person or how she'd cope. She was treated appallingly.

PoorYorick · 16/05/2018 09:35

Adultery is fundamental dishonesty and not compatible with "a strong sense of royal duty"

Anyone with 'Fitz' in their surname is descended from an illegitimate but recognised son of a king.

LondonJax · 16/05/2018 09:36

Juells, you're right. When Charles and Camilla married the Palace said that, when Charles became King, Camilla would be known as Princess Consort (not Queen Consort which she would be legally). That was out of deference to the memory of Diana. That's why she calls herself the Duchess of Cornwall rather than Princess of Wales.

But apparently that statement regarding Princess Consort has disappeared from the Palace website now.

purits · 16/05/2018 09:38

Jesus Christ, she was nineteen. And from the looks of it, no one gave the slightest shit about her as a person or how she'd cope. She was treated appallingly.

Nineteen is adult. She wanted the marriage but probably didn't appreciate, until too late, what it really entailed. A case of 'be careful what you wish for'. She was equally complicit.
Don't fall for the doe-eyed 'poor little me' schtick.

Namethecat · 16/05/2018 09:38

Isn't it known that Camilla and Charles had the host for each other when they were younger. He was seeing some very suitable women along with a few not seen as suitable by the family. Camilla was dating her husband to be but he was a bit of a player so Camilla flirted about with Charles to make him jealous to propose to her. They married. Charles then went off doing his thing for a few years but with their paths crossing sometimes ( her husband worked for the queen) He was still having tete a tetes with women. Camilla caught Charles eye again so they started seeing each other with her husband knowing , only asking that they remain discrete. But because of his age/ expectation Diane was wheeled in as a suitable bride etc etc.

BeyondPink · 16/05/2018 09:38

I doubt he will be Charles III, the reigns of Charles I and Charles II weren't particularly successful... 😬

Dedicated republican here, I don't give half a shit which one of them ends up on the throne

Namethecat · 16/05/2018 09:39

Hots

The80sweregreat · 16/05/2018 09:39

I watched a documentary about them the other day on ITV.

Charles met Camilla in the early 70s and they are very vaguely related as well ( but then so was Diana!)

He wouldn't commit to her and was told ' she isn't suitable for you' so she went off and married Andrew Parker - Bowles instead, but always remained ' friends' with Charles and was there 'helping ' Diana handle the press and the Royals once he hooked up with her, she thought it would be a good match i suppose and even went to the their wedding i believe!

Diana didnt really stand a chance against her, but she was very young and didn't really know him that well and probably liked someone around to confide in a bit.

Camilla never really went away at any point and was ( in my opinion) quite manipulative. hence Diana's ' there were always three of us in our marriage' comment when she was interviewed.

BossWitch · 16/05/2018 09:41

Agree, Diana was fed to the wolves at 19. But that's not Camilla's fault. It's pure sexism and more than a bit of misogyny if Charles and the rest of the royal family have all forgiven but Camilla is made to continuously atone for what happened to Diana decades later.

I also have a horrible feeling that the general public would be kinder to Camilla if she was better looking. Diana got away with a lot of shit behaviour because she was pretty and looked good in her clothes.

LunaTrap · 16/05/2018 09:41

If you have a stupid system like an hereditary monarchy then you can't pick and choose who you get

Completely agree with this. I'm a republican and really don't understand royalists who complain about who they might get on the throne. Isn't that kind of the point of a monarchy- that it is an inherited privilege and being deserving or not is really irrelevant?

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