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Is Depressed Stepson a CF or AIBU?

32 replies

BlackCloudofGloom · 02/05/2018 16:06

Following a breakup with his DP, various legal and family problems and a nervous breakdown, my 36 yo stepson has been living with DH and me for 2 years and it is not expected that he will move out in the foreseeable future. He gives DH £55 a week towards his board, which we feel is fair (he lives on benefits).

What I don't feel is fair is his physical contribution to the household. DSS suffers with depression, and I try to be sympathetic, but my patience is wearing thin. Although he usually does what we ask, he will put it off as long as possible before he starts, and often leave jobs half-finished with a flimsy excuse (“The drainer was full, so I stopped washing up.”), and he never does anything without being asked, except occasionally tidying his own bedroom. My DH is disabled with restricted movement and often in great pain, but DSS just will not offer help, for example to pick up items from the floor or carry heavy objects for him – he always has to be asked or he would happily sit watching his father struggle (“Well, I didn't know - you should have said if you wanted help.”) If DH asks him to help, he will often go away before the job is finished (“I thought you didn't need any more help.”) If we don't cook dinner for him, he lives on toast, sandwiches, crisps and biscuits with the occasional microwave meal. He spends most of each day lying on the sofa eating and watching TV, often with a nap in the afternoons. I've tried giving him lists of jobs and he said he would do them and didn't, so after a day or two DH caved in and did the jobs instead.

Although it's not how he was brought up, he barely seems house-trained. He usually doesn't bath without being reminded several times, sleeps in his clothes and wears them for days, won't set his alarm and doesn't get up unless we wake him, doesn't automatically say please and thank you, doesn't wash his hands after the loo or before touching food, doesn't clean the toilet after himself, doesn't wipe his feet as he comes in the door, leaves the door open when he goes out to the garden so heat is wasted and DH gets cold, doesn't wipe up things he's spilled such as coffee grounds or loose tobacco, leaves food wrappings and plates in the sitting room, doesn't put the milk away in the fridge before going up to bed, makes snacks and leaves mess in the kitchen and the packaging open so food is spoilt. I have spoken to him several times - gently and angrily - about all these things and he says sorry and continues to do it. No matter what I say, it just makes no difference – nothing gets through.

Is he just a CF who's taking advantage of us? AIBU in thinking he should make more effort to improve?

Kicking him out is not an option, and wouldn't solve his problems. We want him to stay with us, but we also want him to try to rejoin the human race.

OP posts:
eggcellent · 02/05/2018 16:13

Sounds like he's in "the pit" and doesn't know how to pull himself out. Is he on medication and seeing a counsellor?

LegoPiecesEverywhere · 02/05/2018 16:13

You have the partience of a saint. From what you have written it seems his life has no real purpose. Would getting a job be an option? Even an easy part time job like delivering takeaways?

rinabean · 02/05/2018 16:16

It's bloody hard to get benefits for mental health and as you can see he's very unwell. You don't have to support him (he'd die if you didn't but you have no legal obligation to) but shouting at him to get better will help him get better precisely as much as it would help your husband. It's like you don't actually believe in depression even when it's right in front of you. Of course YABU

Smartiepants79 · 02/05/2018 16:18

What motivation does he currently have to change or improve his situation? Is he doing anything to help himself get better because this would be the biggest issue for me. His behaviour can be explained by his depression but if he is making no effort to deal with it then that would be a big problem for me.

TrickyD · 02/05/2018 16:20

YANBU. Kick him out and let him take his depression somewhere else. He is taking advantage of your kind heart and ruining your life.

KarmaStar · 02/05/2018 16:22

Hi op,have you tried getting him to the doctor's to get his mental health checked?that might be a starting position and possibility explain some of his behaviour.
Did you know him before his break down?was he like this then,if so?
You've done amazingly to have coped this long.
If he won't see the doctor and don't want to give him an ultimatum,I'm not sure what you can do,equally,if he does go and is given a clean bill of health,he will not change when being allowed to live like a sullen teenager.
Are there any drug or alcohol dependency signs?
Certainly he will not instigate a change,it must come from you and your dh together.
Good luck.

ittakes2 · 02/05/2018 16:23

Ring the GP and ask them how he can be referred to your local mental health team for some CBT therapy.

Aylarose · 02/05/2018 16:23

Wow, what a difficult situation!

I'm sorry I don't know the acronym 'CF' so probably shouldn't be replying!

I do actually think that it sounds like your stepson is severely depressed but that does not mean that the behaviours that he is displaying are acceptable.

I think that you and your DH need to sit down with your stepson and calmly and kindly discuss steps that he needs to take to improve his situation, one of which would definitely be psychotherapy and also 'behavioural activation' where he should plan activities (some of which can be fun activities) for each day.

It's really nice of you that you're not considering kicking him out as I'm sure other parents in your situation would consider it but perhaps you should discuss behaviours that are expected of all members household such as completing the washing up when it's your turn, washing hands after using the loo and before preparing food, wiping up spillages, shutting doors that you've opened etc.

Your stepson is depressed so you will have to approach this in a sensitive way particularly if you've ever had any problems with your relationship with him although it sounds like you genuinely care about him and are willing to support him. However some of it might be best to come from his Dad. I would start from a positive such as "It's great that you often help with washing up and helping your Dad around the house but there are a few other things that we do in this household..."; "You don't seem like your normal self- could you maybe ask the GP for a referral for therapy?" etc.

Glumglowworm · 02/05/2018 16:24

Depression can cause all of those things. It can make tiny problems like the drainer being full seem overwhelming, and when it’s taken all your energy and effort to start washing up, you don’t have any left to empty the drainer as well.

For me personally, the key factor would be if he’s engaging with what help he can, so GP, medication, counselling (although the latter is extremely limited on the NHS and has very long waiting lists). I do know that depression can make people resistant to help, but without help nothing will change, so that would be the condition for my continued support

redexpat · 02/05/2018 16:25

Is he getting any treatment for depression?

Smartiepants79 · 02/05/2018 16:25

Who said she was shouting at him?? rina i think that's rather harsh and not helpful in the slightest. She seems to be very understanding and forgiving of his depression. In normal circumstances they would be well within their rights to kick him out and a long time ago too. Living like this for 2 years is a very stressful situation for the family as a whole. The son isn't the only one with serious health issues.
Simply ignoring his behaviour because he is depressed isn't helping anyone involved.

Bythebeach · 02/05/2018 16:31

Is he seeing his GP? Is he on anti-depressants? Counselling? Does he get out of the house or do any exercise or can you get him to? You are lovely but 2 years is a long time and what is there that might help him improve.....I think although it may seem cruel, you need to make it clear he has to do the minimum acceptable to you or move out.....it’s no good for him either being allowed not to behave decently....he’ll have a modicum more self-respect if he does.

ToastyFingers · 02/05/2018 16:37

Ah this is sad,
If he's not up to the strain of daily life he won't manage to hold down a job and things like volunteering or trying to better himself will likely lose him his benefits if they're for his mental health problems, which is a very scary prospect on it's own.

I'd start the focus on basic personal care, so keeping relatively clean, teeth brushed, clean clothes, hands washed and try and go from there.

Things like tidying up and chores are so, so overwhelming when your depressed and struggling just to put one foot in front of the other.

Flowers for you, your husband and DSS. Depression Fucking sucks.

elderflowerandrose · 02/05/2018 16:40

Op he sounds very very ill. Not bathing and sleeping in his clothes is not normal for a middle aged man. Nothing you have said is remotely encouraging.

Can you go with him back to the GP and tell them this? Assuming he is on medication already clearly it is not working. You need much more support.

Is his mother on the scene? Perhaps enlist other family members and friends to start a rota so he can spend some time with other people. Maybe two days every week he goes elsewhere? You will hear every excuse why not, but really this may help him a lot. It is not healthy to be in your house like this every single day and night.

Under the pretext of getting him better at the very least organise some alternative accommodation to allow you to have a break from this.

I would not throw him out, it is not clear what would happen to him, but I would be putting in place some support and others to take over for a while.

Failing that I would be removing myself twice a week for a rest.

LadyLance · 02/05/2018 16:44

I think you do need to talk to him- sitting in the "pit" of depression will not help his life improve. Is his depression being treated? If he is on medication, this often will not be enough on its own. Therapy is difficult to access through the NHS, but sometimes charities like MIND will help. You or his father may have to help him organise appointments and prompt him to attend.

It's important that he understands that getting better is a process- it's very hard to start with, but he has to make as much effort as he can. Eating healthily and getting some exercise will often help improve his mental health. I would be pushing him to do this as well.

I think you have to accept that he just doesn't "see" stuff right now e.g. his father needing help, or solutions to minor problems. However, I would make things like hygiene, looking after communal food, and not inconveniencing or creating extra work for either of you non-negotiable. I know you won't actually kick him out, but if he is making your home life miserable, then something has to change.

I wouldn't say tough love is the answer, but enabling him indefinitely won't help him get better either. When was the last time he saw a health professional?

cjferg · 02/05/2018 16:52

Don't try and force him to get a job. That is not going to help someone who can't get up or clean themself without prompting.

Agree with the people saying try and get him to look after himself first and foremost. Showering, wearing clean clothes, etc.

It is frustrating when asking for something to be done and it not happening but depression makes the most menial task seem impossible. He likely also feels really bad that he is unable to help out.

happypoobum · 02/05/2018 16:55

If we don't cook dinner for him, he lives on toast, sandwiches, crisps and biscuits with the occasional microwave meal So what? I would let this go. Let him eat what he wants if it bothers you to cook for him.

re the personal hygiene issues, I believe this is common with depression. Is he on medication? Does he have counselling? It sounds like he is very unwell.

It must be really hard for you, I do sympathise.

HappyFeet1212 · 02/05/2018 16:57

In your shoes, I would need to set some limit on this. Whilst understanding that his depression is the cause, there should be a shared view that this negatively impacts on everyone's life at present & so can't continue indefinitely without being tackled.

I would look into meds & CBT. Agree a timeframe of months, with the goal being that the therapies start to work, enabling him to move out & live elsewhere.

Hopefully it gives him a supportive push in the right direction, whilst giving you the certainty that this will end at some point, no matter what the output. He needs to feel invested in getting better.

aaarrrggghhhh · 02/05/2018 17:03

The thing is - all of those things scream severe depression. Agree with whoever pointed it out it is almost impossible to get benefits for mental health so he must be in a very bad state indeed.

Severe depression is like walking in treacle. I am a massive over achiever and when I was severely depressed I could barely make a cup of tea, had to get a cleaner in and lived on toast and takeaway. Having a shower was a significant achievement for the day. Quite literally.

So of course it is very very difficult for you. But it sounds to me like it is not that he is being a CF. So its kind of like thinking someone with a broken leg who can't walk is being cheeky.

My suggestion would be to support him to see GP and get more support - including maybe making appt, going with him etc.

Severe depression has an astonishing impact on basic function.

Well done for doing all you are to support him.

Make sure you also take some time out for you.

sockunicorn · 02/05/2018 17:07

Kicking him out is not an option, and wouldn't solve his problems. We want him to stay with us, but we also want him to try to rejoin the human race.

Flowers and that sentence alone is why you are an amazing step parent and hes lucky to have you xxx

teddybaare · 02/05/2018 17:10

Yabu. You recognise that your husband is very ill and needs help on a day to day basis and should do the same with your ss. Just because depression isn't visible doesn't mean it's not there. Having been in that exact state for a long time I can tell you that no amount of telling or asking him to do things will help. He needs proper support and possibly medication, no doubt he feels like a burden on your life already so I would encourage him to get help rather than getting annoyed at him for not doing the washing up. I totally understand how you could get annoyed from time to time and I think you're amazing for allowing him to live with you for so long but just be patient and kind. It can get better

Dieu · 02/05/2018 17:13

It's a very tricky situation, but the thing is, no 36 year old on the planet would actively CHOOSE to live their life in this way. It's not like he's happy either.
Has there been a diagnosis of anything in addition to the depression? To me he sounds on the spectrum.
It truly is a vicious cycle; he's depressed and living his life in an aimless, manchild way. The lack of routine and purpose will be making him depressed, but he will be too depressed to do anything about it!
Small, manageable steps sound like the way to go, with achievable targets to get his confidence up.
Not at all easy for you either OP, and your feelings shouldn't be minimised either. It's one thing to say 'he's depressed, leave him be', but quite another to live with it day in, day out.

BigSandyBalls2015 · 02/05/2018 17:17

Blimey he sounds like one of my teens, it must be very difficult to live with when it's a middle aged man.

smithsinarazz · 02/05/2018 17:17

@LadyLance - yes, totally.
Another depressive here. Yes, he is being a massive pain in the arse. Yes, being utterly incapable of doing anything off one's own bat is a symptom of depression. But...
a) He needs to see his GP, though it may take a while for any meaningful support to be made available.
b) If depression is comparable to a physical injury, saying "Pull yourself together!" is like kicking the casualty to the ground; but conversely, for the depressive to lie around doing absolutely nothing is like an injured person failing to do the physiotherapy that they need to get their strength back.
It's tough on you to be in the physiotherapist position. But I actually think it would be for his own good if you said to him "come on, So-and-So, you know where the cupboard is, if the drainer's full, you can put things away," and, though it doesn't seem like it at present, you're helping him no end by getting him to bath himself.
Good for you for taking him in and looking after him, and for wanting him to "rejoin the human race". He's very lucky to have you, and hopefully he'll realise that some day. xx

LadyLance · 02/05/2018 17:27

@smithsinarazz I'm glad you agree. I've never suffered from depression (luckily) but I have seen it in other people I am close to, and I really don't think enabling it forever helps. I really like the physiotherapist analogy.

I do agree with the poster that said if he could stay elsewhere occasionally (e.g. with other family members) this might really help the situation as OP will get an occasional break. Perhaps you could reduce his rent to match this?

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