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Is Depressed Stepson a CF or AIBU?

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BlackCloudofGloom · 02/05/2018 16:06

Following a breakup with his DP, various legal and family problems and a nervous breakdown, my 36 yo stepson has been living with DH and me for 2 years and it is not expected that he will move out in the foreseeable future. He gives DH £55 a week towards his board, which we feel is fair (he lives on benefits).

What I don't feel is fair is his physical contribution to the household. DSS suffers with depression, and I try to be sympathetic, but my patience is wearing thin. Although he usually does what we ask, he will put it off as long as possible before he starts, and often leave jobs half-finished with a flimsy excuse (“The drainer was full, so I stopped washing up.”), and he never does anything without being asked, except occasionally tidying his own bedroom. My DH is disabled with restricted movement and often in great pain, but DSS just will not offer help, for example to pick up items from the floor or carry heavy objects for him – he always has to be asked or he would happily sit watching his father struggle (“Well, I didn't know - you should have said if you wanted help.”) If DH asks him to help, he will often go away before the job is finished (“I thought you didn't need any more help.”) If we don't cook dinner for him, he lives on toast, sandwiches, crisps and biscuits with the occasional microwave meal. He spends most of each day lying on the sofa eating and watching TV, often with a nap in the afternoons. I've tried giving him lists of jobs and he said he would do them and didn't, so after a day or two DH caved in and did the jobs instead.

Although it's not how he was brought up, he barely seems house-trained. He usually doesn't bath without being reminded several times, sleeps in his clothes and wears them for days, won't set his alarm and doesn't get up unless we wake him, doesn't automatically say please and thank you, doesn't wash his hands after the loo or before touching food, doesn't clean the toilet after himself, doesn't wipe his feet as he comes in the door, leaves the door open when he goes out to the garden so heat is wasted and DH gets cold, doesn't wipe up things he's spilled such as coffee grounds or loose tobacco, leaves food wrappings and plates in the sitting room, doesn't put the milk away in the fridge before going up to bed, makes snacks and leaves mess in the kitchen and the packaging open so food is spoilt. I have spoken to him several times - gently and angrily - about all these things and he says sorry and continues to do it. No matter what I say, it just makes no difference – nothing gets through.

Is he just a CF who's taking advantage of us? AIBU in thinking he should make more effort to improve?

Kicking him out is not an option, and wouldn't solve his problems. We want him to stay with us, but we also want him to try to rejoin the human race.

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BlackCloudofGloom · 02/05/2018 18:30

Thanks for all your responses. We both have a good relationship with him and can discuss pretty much anything.I think he changed gradually as he got more depressed, but he was living away from home at that time so I can't be sure. I honestly don't think he could cope with a job.

He has been diagnosed as suffering moderate to severe depression, and I don't doubt that is the case, rinabean. He is on medication, and has had this reviewed by his GP recently. He has had counselling before, but it was only for 12 weeks – it took him about 10 weeks to trust the counsellor, so not much progress could be made. I will look into CBT therapy, ittakes2. You are probably right, elderflowerandrose, I think I do need support and will look out for a group. We live a long way from other family members, but DH and I can leave him alone without worrying, just have to make him clear up the mess when we get back! He goes out to get things for us from the shops

He has had lots of medical advice, but doesn't always follow it. Certainly no drug or alcohol problems, he smokes heavily but rarely drinks. He definitely needs more exercise. I am quite tempted to get him a dog – I'm sure it would do him the world of good as he misses his dog which went with his DP. My DH would love it but I don't really care for them and it is a big tie.

“enabling him indefinitely won't help him get better either” my feelings exactly, LadyLance.

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manicinsomniac · 02/05/2018 21:06

Well, he has depression. Quite severely so by the sound of it. Obviously it manifests very differently in different people but it's quite likely he can no more help himself to change his behaviour right now than he could if he was suffering from a physical illness.

That's not to say YABU for struggling to cope with it though, it sounds like a nightmare. So I don't think he's being a CF at all but I also think it's ok for you to have had enough.

On a side note - quite upset to see how many people think of 36 as middle aged! I would say 50+. 30s are ... the prime of life Grin

fourfuckssake4 · 03/05/2018 08:15

I think getting a dog would be a great idea. Give your ss a purpose in life and hopefully out of the house for excercise, fresh air. Think about a older rescue dog rather than a puppy. Helped my brother enormously. Hope your ss starts to recover soon. You and dh sound very supportive.

Birdsgottafly · 03/05/2018 09:25

He definitely isn't a CF, any more than your DH is, for needing help.

The things you are describing are the symptoms of being severely depressed. I think the way to get passed your resentment is to get support and do some more reading around severe depression.

Don't get a dog, yet. You can't snap out of severe depression and he may make all the promises under the sun about looking after it, but it won't be his fault if it didn't happen.

You can't necessarily "make more of an effort" to get out of severe depression, anymore than your DH can.

Its time to review his long term plan. Sometimes drug therapy is needed to lift someone up a level so CBT, Talking therapies are useful. He may not be there yet.

Its time for you and his Dad to help him move along (if he can). So you and you DH need to put your thoughts to each other, write stuff down. Read around how severe depression stops you from being able to, concentrate, memory and process information, then make sure its a fair plan.

Start with the most annoying habit, such as closing the door, say.

Sit down together and say that you are concerned that he isn't having any quality of life. If he's willing to go with a plan (this will be scary for him), then go ahead. Having small goals and achieving them will do wonders for him.

Talk about getting a dog. A rescue would be ideal. That's something that he can work up to. But it can only go ahead when he's at the level to cope with it.

Make it about him regaining his life, he is a relatively young man.

Just to add that some people who've had severe depression don't get back to how they were. They still struggle, so don't talk about him recovering, but just having a life, as such.

Littlechocola · 03/05/2018 09:35

Is he honest about his smoking when he has a meds review?
Smoking can effect medication depending on what he’s prescribed.
You sound like an angel op and it’s great that you can talk.

WeirdCatLady · 03/05/2018 09:41

He does sound very low. Sometimes you have to be the bad guy and step in with a few harsh truths. I find routine helps, so say he has to get up before a certain time, he has to wash and wear clean clothes every day. He has set jobs which he must complete. A dog sounds like a great idea, but maybe for the future. Concentrate on getting him clean and dressed first. You sound like a lovely, supportive friend to him, but make sure you look after yourself too.

EdmundCleverClogs · 03/05/2018 12:25

It sounds like a tough situation. depression can have as much of an adverse effect on those living with the unwell person as those suffering themselves. There needs to be a compromise of sympathy and long term plans. It’s great that you have taken him in, but what about the future? If he doesn’t find a way to cope with his illness, who will ‘look after’ him when you’re no longer able to? Will other family members care for him? This is something you all need to eventually think about. He can’t snap out of his depression, but equally this situation can’t be at a standstill forever.

Instead of giving him list of things to do over time, could you suggest ‘one thing a day’ to be done? That way he at least feels he’s accomplished something, but it’s not overwhelming expectation. He can obviously build on it over time. Maybe set one large long term goal ‘in three months I’d like to have finished this book’, ‘in one year I want to join a course’ etc.

A dog does sound like a great idea, however it is a big responsibility and if he doesn’t take to it then it will probably be down to yourself to take care of it - take that into consideration.

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