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To be annoyed when people think the word ‘chav’

193 replies

DrScully · 02/05/2018 13:57

...is offensive to working class people?

Sorted by the ‘students laughing at the working classes’ thread.

My Mum is proper working class. Grew up in extreme poverty in a big industrial city. She left school at 15, got a job. Says ‘breakfast, dinner and tea’ and ‘toilet’, would say ‘serviette’ and ‘living room’.

She uses the word chav to mean a certain type of person, someone of low intelligence and education, who has poor taste and does not conduct themselves with dignities. She would never, in a million years, associate it with being working class.

For example, she would call Katie Price a ‘chav’, because of the way she dresses, what she’s called her kids etc, despite the fact that Katie Price is a millionaire who was raised middle class, riding horses.

She would never call someone a chav who was a normal working class person, e.g a single mum in jeans and a tshirt who works as a cleaner, a bus driver, a bin man etc.

It annoys me when people chime in on threads with ‘how dare you use chav, it’s very classist and offensive towards the working class.’ While I understand it’s not a nice thing to say, not all working class people are stood about smoking in tracksuits! My understanding is it is a taste based insult, not a class based one like pleb.

AIBU over this? It’s not a word I fling around willy billy by any means, and I can see that it’s not a nice thing to call someone, but why the hell does it now mean all working class people?!

Am I

OP posts:
Mrsemcgregor · 02/05/2018 19:06

Huh, but a quick google tells me it’s a Romany word for Boy.

Fascinating, I love language!

But yes, in its current meaning and usage it’s not nice.

ThreeJoeys · 02/05/2018 19:06

DH is working class, and he definitely calls certain people chavs. Is it offensive? What's more offensive is them ACTING like chavs in the first place with zero respect to others. Some people here should buy themselves a halo for being so unoffensive!

DioneTheDiabolist · 02/05/2018 19:09

It's a disgusting and offensive word. When I hear it is tend to think the person using it is being willfully ignorant and sneery.

donquixotedelamancha · 02/05/2018 19:10

A song about chavs:

NotUmbongoUnchained · 02/05/2018 19:16

I have a Chav across the road. She’s actually lovely.

ThreeJoeys · 02/05/2018 19:16

It's a disgusting and offensive word. When I hear it is tend to think the person using it is being willfully ignorant and sneery.

Yeah because you never call people names. Sureeeee.

Smeddum · 02/05/2018 19:17

Yeah because you never call people names

No, I don’t. Unless they’ve behaved particularly offensively in which case I’d call them a dick, or an arsehole. What I wouldn’t do is sneer at someone. Ever. Because it’s shit.

SilverySurfer · 02/05/2018 19:27

Chav is not disgusting nor offensive, it's an excellent word which describes a certain type of person. IMO it has absolutely nothing to do with class and everything to do with behaviour and/or a lack of good taste. A chav can also be rich or poor. A prime example would be Wayne Rooney,

Tw1nsetAndPearls · 02/05/2018 19:27

. It isn't an insult, it is a description of a certain type of person.

Just like lots of racist insults, do you defend those too?

Tw1nsetAndPearls · 02/05/2018 19:30

Yeah because you never call people names. Sureeeee.

I actually try not to, don't most people?

I certainly don't start threads on internet forums defending my twattish behaviour

Smeddum · 02/05/2018 19:31

A prime example would be Wayne Rooney

Who wasn’t born with money!

WomanWithAltitude · 02/05/2018 19:32

When you say 'these people made my life hell', who do you mean?

People in tracksuits? Single mums on benefits?

Or specific people you know who happened to fit that stereotype?

The idea that everyone who fits that stereotype is violent is ridiculous. Look at some of the posts above. Getting judgy because people say 'bro' or smoke. It's about being able to feel superior and look down on others. Pretty nasty really

ThreeJoeys · 02/05/2018 19:39

Tw1nsetAndPearls people dont choose what race they were born as. They can choose not to behave like twats as in chavs case.

And sure I believe you Grin

NotUmbongoUnchained · 02/05/2018 19:41

Lee Nelson and Catherine Tate both did chavs in their shows.

Ruffian · 02/05/2018 19:42

A chav can also be rich or poor. A prime example would be Wayne Rooney

Because he's clearly working class despite having a lot of money so middle class people look down on him

Tw1nsetAndPearls · 02/05/2018 19:42

Tw1nsetAndPearls people dont choose what race they were born as. They can choose not to behave like twats as in chavs case.
But racist insults are seen by racists as a simple description just like you see chav as a simple description.
I didn't choose the family I was born into.

And sure I believe you
It speaks volumes that you don't believe that people try not to be unpleasant to each other

Tw1nsetAndPearls · 02/05/2018 19:44

A chav can also be rich or poor. A prime example would be Wayne Rooney
He is working class though - which is the point. Even as a chav I can work that out.

Smeddum · 02/05/2018 19:44

Because he's clearly working class despite having a lot of money so middle class people look down on him

This! Anyone remember the Fulford family, upper class, family seat, not titled but not far off. Yet swore, were filthy dirty and proud of it and pretty neglectful parents. I didn’t see anyone calling them chavs.

MissMarplesKnitting · 02/05/2018 19:45

Wayne Rooney isn't a chav. Despite the womanising he's mainly an ok guy, who has worked hard for what he has.

I think an appropriately MN word instead of chav is vulgar.

Katie Price? Vulgar. Very definitely that.

NotUmbongoUnchained · 02/05/2018 19:46

smeddum

Because they weren’t chavs.
Chav is literally a lifestyle, like goth, punk, hippy etc.

Smeddum · 02/05/2018 19:47

@NotUmbongoUnchained not going by some of the awful definitions on here. The nastiest have all been about council estates, benefits, single mums with numerous fathers for their children and various other stereotypes.

WomanWithAltitude · 02/05/2018 19:49

Most of the descriptions above of what a 'chav' apparently is are describing the poor, those on benefits, people living in council homes. Poor mums 'pop kids out' while well off mums 'have large families'. And obviously only the former is called a 'chav'. Hmm

And the 'well off' examples that are given are mainly working class people who've made money (Rooney for example) - the 'undeserving rich'. It's horrible sneering.

NotUmbongoUnchained · 02/05/2018 19:50

Yeah I know. It’s mostly by people who I imagine didn’t grow up in the midst of it and don’t really understand it.

ShackleForAnOldExLeper · 02/05/2018 19:50

I'm from cheltenham and the local story is girls from cheltenham ladies College called people who hung around town Cheltenham average which got shortened to CHAVs. People think cheltenham is posh but there are lots of average uns round here Smile.

Smeddum · 02/05/2018 19:51

@NotUmbongoUnchained I actually understand your interpretation (correct imo) of it. It’s the others ones I can’t stand, it’s just nasty and sneery.