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To think they will never reveal Jon Venables identity

93 replies

Soubriquet · 02/05/2018 09:25

In case people attack him

Nice idea in theory stripping away what protects him as he certainly doesn't deserve it, but no court will grant it in case of mob justice

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Marcellus · 02/05/2018 09:58

Of course they should never reveal his identity.

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justabunchofbunting · 02/05/2018 09:59

I dont think his identity should be released. What good would it do anyone? Not much and it may do some people some serious harm.

Used to work in mental health and ive seen people attacked over rumours and its disgusting. Releasing his identity would only encourage that kind of behaviour.
I also do not support the risk of him being attacked. Whether or not he deserves it or is a bad or good person is completely irrelevant. We live in a supposedly civilised society. I do not support people taking the law into their own hands and attacking people. I would feel more at risk from the people who would do that than I would feel my family was at risk from anything that man may do.

Plenty of terrible things happen in the world every day yet some people get so obsessed with this one guy and seem hell bent on seeing him constantly suffer in some way. I think thats pretty sick to be honest. Irrelevant what random people feel he 'deserves'. What is relevant is that people in our society behave in a decent manner and do not let someone elses crime turn them into a bloodthirsty mob.

immortalmarble · 02/05/2018 10:00

What would be the purpose behind revealing his identity?

MissionItsPossible · 02/05/2018 10:01

@FASH84 I've just read (albeit briefly) about both laws. I think they are a good idea but does it only work if a member of the public did a preemptive strike and asked if their partner had a history or do the police automatically tell them. If the latter, unless they do anything to rouse suspicion, people would still be at risk?

Andro · 02/05/2018 10:04

I agree with James Bulger's mother on both aspects - I don't think the killers were adequately punished and I don't think that the identity ought to be released (that would be a recipe for disaster). Given that this humanoid horror story is on a life licence, by far the easiest way to deal with him would be to keep him incarcerated on the grounds that he's still a danger...thus solving the problem he poses to the general public.

Notso · 02/05/2018 10:05

Totally agree with justabunchofbunting

DannyLaRuesBestFrock · 02/05/2018 10:06

He's evil granted but part of me thinks he has done his time

Really? After recently downloading a manual on how to successfully abuse children from the dark web?

Takfujuimoto · 02/05/2018 10:08

The thing is that his picture and other peoples pictures with his likeness have been on the internet for sometime already, the only feasible way you could deter an attack on an innocent man now is to lock JV up indefinitely for his own safety and others as well, but that's unlikely to happen unless he commits another murder.

Even if that happened you'd still have some conspiracy nuts that would still hunt down a person who looked like him.

The public are dangerous when they take the law into their own hands, we can't be trusted.

FASH84 · 02/05/2018 10:09

@missionitsimpossible you would have to seek out the info but with high risk cases they are managed at MAPPA multi agency public protection arrangement meetings, attended by senior police, probation, social care, mental health and so on. They have a huge amount of statutory power and make disclosures to individuals, schools, employers etc. They can insist on where an offender lives, or works and instruct police monitoring teams to schedules or frequencies of unannounced visits, checks, social media monitoring and so on. Number plates can be flagged on anpr systems, addresses can be flagged for urgent police response and so on. It is used routinely on tens of not hundreds of thousands of cases, unfortunately this is not a good story for the press!

MrsJayy · 02/05/2018 10:12

I agree andro he doesn't seem rehabilitated he doesn't seem to care who he tells when he is drunk he basically grew up in an institution which he should never have been released.

Lovemusic33 · 02/05/2018 10:14

If they revealed it there would be many problems. No one would want him living anywhere near them so he would be impossible to house, people would try and kill him (I know many who would want too but 2 wrongs don’t make a right), someone else could be mistaken for him and get seriously hurt.

This man is dangerous and should be kept in prison for the safety of others.

I know someone who shares this mans name (it’s a common name), he’s also a similar age, he has been harassed many times just because his name matches the murderers name. I’m sure there are others that have been accused of being him too.

Mightymucks · 02/05/2018 10:17

I’m not convinced the person identified on Google is him. When there have been genuine pictures on social media the police and courts have been very quick to act at getting searches for them blocked for UK users.

Google does respond to UK court orders, for example they will block foreign results for things related to UK superinjuctions.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 02/05/2018 10:18

He's evil granted but part of me thinks he has done his time.

You do realise he's been convicted of downloading a manual on how to abuse children? How the hell has he 'done his time' when he continues to offend?

Viviennemary · 02/05/2018 10:19

He's revealed it plenty of times himself. I certainly don't think he should ever be released now. In fact I don't think either of those two should have been released. Ever.

Fatted · 02/05/2018 10:19

Why do the public need to know? What good would it serve? And where do you draw the line? Should details of all sexual offenders be made public? Should all murders details be made public? Should all peoples criminal convictions be made public to every one? Where do you draw the line?

The only thing publishing his details would achieve was for someone to murder him and thus making them as bad as him.

Takfujuimoto · 02/05/2018 10:22

I think part of him would prefer to be locked up or put away for life, he definitely was not rehabilitated successfully.

MissionItsPossible · 02/05/2018 10:24

Thank you @FASH84 for the response, it's good to know there are measures put in place. I'd never heard of MAPPA before

MrsJayy · 02/05/2018 10:25

A mile or so from where I live somebody is awaiting sentences for crimes against children I have no idea what these crimes are but there is a constant camp outside the house of people protecting the kiddies. Can you imagine if we get this is JV and he will be moving into your street it would be anarchy.

motorpink · 02/05/2018 10:25

He's evil granted but part of me thinks he has done his time

You really think a few years of his ‘time’ is equal to what he did

People like him should never be allowed to walk within society. We live in some fucked up county we really do. Common sense alone should dictate that being locked up is the ONLY way to deal with monsters.

FASH84 · 02/05/2018 10:26

There's a lot of stuff that goes on in my industry that the public are not aware of, none of it is fail proof we can only manage risk and plan as best as we can.

Lacucuracha · 02/05/2018 10:27

We should never have known his real identity in the first place.

It's because of the mess they made of the V&T trial (including revealing their identities) that identities of children who commit such crimes are not allowed to be revealed.

For example, we know nothing about what the Edlington boys are doing now.

ILikeMyChickenFried · 02/05/2018 10:28

There's should come a point where we say enough is enough. The other one seems to have kept his head down since release and stayed out of trouble.
Venables continues to seek ways to hurt children, continues to commit crime. He should not be released.

LittleLionMansMummy · 02/05/2018 10:30

Unlike Thompson, he has continued to offend, gives little or no regard to protecting his new identity (or identities) and has not been rehabilitated. But mostly I feel for James's parents who continue to relive that little boy's pain and suffering, and poor Denise's misplaced guilt, every time one of his killers receives airtime. I'm not sure that revealing his identity will help James's parents at all. But then neither do I think that continuing to protect someone who continues to offend is in the public's interest. I don't agree with capital punishment but I honestly wish he'd shuffle off this mortal coil and leave those poor people in peace, along with the other children he still seeks to abuse.

Lacucuracha · 02/05/2018 10:31

Agree that he needs to be locked up for the foreseeable future.

Unfortunately locking up people indefinitely gives them no incentive to reform.