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Dsis Sending Herself Gifts..

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getawfmylaaaand · 01/05/2018 19:56

It’s an odd one and probably outing so I’ve name changed, im a regular.

For the last 6 months or so, my Dsis has been sending herself gifts through the post and claiming they’re from various family members and an ‘admirer’ we are fairly certain she’s invented.

This all started before Christmas. She was wearing a bit of jewellery I’d never seen before and although not my taste, she was twiddling with it and clearly wanted us to notice it so I said ‘that’s a lovely necklace Dsis, I’ve not seen it before is it new?’ She replied:
‘Oh yes it is, it was a gift’

Me: ‘that’s lovely, it suits you’

Her: ‘it was from Aunty Jane’ (names changed obvs)

Now, it wasn’t her birthday and too early to be a Christmas present. we haven’t received gifts from aunty jane since we were 15 and I haven’t spoken to her for about 15 years since and to my knowledge, neither has Dsis. It was odd, but the conversation moved on and I totally forgot about it until Christmas Day when we were all opening presents. Dsis produced a bag for life absolutely chocked with presents all wrapped in the same 3 variations of Tesco wrapping paper (I know, because we had the same stuff).

Each present was addressed from a different member of the family, none of whom had sent me a present and to my knowledge, no one else including my parents who are more closely related. For reference, this isn’t unusual. My parents and their siblings have a no presents for adults policy because we have a massive family and everyone agrees with it. It’s heen this way for 20 years.

Finally Dsis reaches her last present and opens it to reveal a £400 handbag. She gasps and reads the tag which says ‘from you know who’. She read the tag aloud, I didn’t see it and neither did DH. Obviously this invited questions, but she did a lot of ‘oh no it’s nothing’ etc until finally saying she had a ‘secret admirer’ that she was seeing and he had sent the bag.

In Jan, Dsis had work done on her house so came to live with us for a week, but the work was delayed and she ended up staying for 5 weeks.

During this 5 weeks, every other day a package would arrive at our house addressed to her. We didn’t question it as it’s none of our business, but after 3 weeks or so we were sat at the dinner table and she said ‘I’m sorry about all the packages, it’s SA (secret admirer, although we had a name for him at this point) AGAIN’. A bit perplexed we just sort of said ‘no problem’. She then went to her room and produced a huge box full or ‘gifts’ and proceeded to show us them all. It was lots of costume jewellery, clothes, bags etc. She went through them all saying ‘this is from SA, this is from aunty pat, this is from mum, this is from uncle stan’ etc etc with the majority from SA.

Anyway, long story short one day she left the packaging from a ‘gift’ on the kitchen side and the invoice that came in the package was for her credit card and her name etc and most definately sent to herself.

We had a family gathering in April where I was able to confirm she had indeed been sending herself gifts by lightly bringing the gifts up ‘that was a lovely ring you sent to DSis aunty pat’ etc etc and all of them were completely confused. I got very good at saying ‘oh no sorry my mistake, I must have gotten it wrong’ Hmm

I told DM what I’d discovered and she has no idea what’s going on either.

Is she unwell? I feel a mixture of worry and utter confusion about it, there’s no reason for her to lie to us. She must have spend ~£5k on this so far and that’s a lot of money to us and her.

Do I need to say something to her or WIBU to just go LC and ignore?

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GlitteryFluff · 01/05/2018 20:30

If it as my sister I would be honest, sit down and talk to her.
Say you're worried about her, you've seen the invoices and she's paid for these thins and your family have denied buying her the items she said they had.
Ask her to talk to you. Find out how she's feeling. Why she's doing it? What's going on?
See if she opens up.

Orchidflower1 · 01/05/2018 20:31

This is a stressful and sad situation. Something is obviously triggering this episode and it’s concerning as she’s told a BIG lie before. I think talk to your dm and dh and make a plan, maybe try and find out more about alleged secret boyfriend. If that’s not successful maybe broach it VERY gently with her. You could also contact an agency such as MIND to see if they have any suggestions or your gp if you think it could be MH. Hope things work out ok x

MarvelleGazelle · 01/05/2018 20:32

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getawfmylaaaand · 01/05/2018 20:34

Her fake illness was cervical cancer. It was a long time ago but she’d posted about it on facebook and had a lot of sympathy from friends/ school acquaintances. She didn’t have family members on Facebook at the time so we wouldn’t have known if it wasn’t for the cousin.

At the time she made such a rift in the family we were happy to forget about it and put it down to a mad moment that got out of hand, so it was never followed up.

She could have low self esteem, she doesn’t appear to struggle with it but it’s not like you can tell is it?

Day to day she’s completely fine and you wouldn’t know this was going on. Could this be her asking for help?

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sonjadog · 01/05/2018 20:34

It sounds very worrying. Is there anyone close to her who you think she would open up to? Someone who could approach this gently?

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CocoPuffsInGodMode · 01/05/2018 20:36

I suspect mental health issues too and it's quite sad reading this. It's like she's feeding some need to feel special or important, I don't know, as though she's trying to fill some gap in her life if that makes sense?

I can appreciate that what appears "attention seeking" behaviour really can be frustrating and irritating but it reads to me as though your focus is on proving she's lying. I think really it's support she needs and encouragement to seek help rather than confrontation and proof that she's lying.

JessicaJonesJacket · 01/05/2018 20:37

Was there any diagnosis in her twenties when she faked illness?
I worked with a girl who faked a terminal illness. After she went into remission, she 'borrowed' lots of money from her friends. I wonder if your DSIS could be doing the same?
In the case I know of, there wasn't really any resolution. The friends eventually went to her parents' house to try to get their money back. She wasn't there but her parents confirmed she had a pattern of faking illnesses, etc. They were quite resigned about it.
Would it be possible to speak to her doctor or to encourage her to visit them?

KurriKurri · 01/05/2018 20:38

It does sound as if she is a complete fantasist - and mentally unwell. I really don't know how you would tackle this, but I think you should try not to fall out with her in any way (you say calling her on it would cause a row) because I think she needs someone to keep an eye on her in case things become worse. How sad Sad you sound very caring, she sounds as if she is very unhappy with the reality of her life, and has invented this unreality where she is the popular receiver of gifts. Do you think she actually believes it is true ? (because it sounds as if it is pretty easy for everyone to see through, so a rather feeble deception, unless she's convinced herself these gifts are from actual people.)

As a side note - I buy myself Christmas presents, because I don't have a partner to buy things for me - so I treat myself on occasions. But I don't wrap them up and I don't tell people they are from someone else.

What a tough problem and what a worry for you Flowers

LanaorAna2 · 01/05/2018 20:39

I feel so sorry for this poor girl - it's a pitiful way to make oneself feel loved. Buying and wrapping presents from 'other people' to con her poor heart into a spark of warmth.

The NHS do treat compulsive spending, but only if you've got into debt first (typical, not much use there then). If she's spending more than she earns (she is) I would ask anyway - CBT is really good.

But the problems go back a long way, one suspects - so psychotherapy would be best. Deep-seated lack of love and low self-esteem, the usual villains, sound likely.

Be nice. Be nice. Be nice. Don't blame - she's done nothing to you, so don't act like it. Oh, and buy her nice presents from you if you can afford it.

HollowTalk · 01/05/2018 20:39

Did you say that she said one of the gifts was from your mum? Couldn't you tell your mum about that specific gift and ask her to talk to your sister about it?

The gifts at Christmas were really sad, as though she felt nobody thought she was special enough so bought herself presents in their name instead.

getawfmylaaaand · 01/05/2018 20:40

I really don’t want to make her feel cornered or ‘found out’ but you’re right and I do need to address it with her.

She does have a circle of friends she’s very close to who I could speak to, I know a couple of them really well so I could approach them but I don’t know whether that’s the right thing, they’re friends not family so it could end up with them dumping her if they think she’s a liar. Mind you, if she’s telling them all this still ff as well they probably already know somethings up.

I could message one of them and ask and I think she’d be discreet but how on earth do you word it??

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Dapplegrey · 01/05/2018 20:40

I knew someone who used to send herself expensive bunches of flowers and pretend they were from a secret admirer.
It's sad really - I hope your sister finds help.

sparklepops123 · 01/05/2018 20:42

She sounds very insecure I just hope she's not putting herself into debt doing this

Serialweightwatcher · 01/05/2018 20:43

If she could lie years ago for attention about something so serious, she could lie about anything so don't really understand why you're shocked by this behaviour now ... the way you said you all didn't ask questions or take notice at first because it's none of your business probably feels to her that you just don't care - just a thought

Lovemusic33 · 01/05/2018 20:44

It’s very hard to approach someone about their mental health, she may be totally unaware they what she is doing isn’t normal. Unless you can get her to admit she has a problem you can’t help her.

Sounds like a personality disorder of some kind.

Orchidflower1 · 01/05/2018 20:47

It’s good your dsis has friends but at the moment do you think that it’s best to keep things in the family. MH issues are 100% nothing to be ashamed of and your dsis needs all the kindness at the moment but would she feel you were telling tales/ talking behind her back? I know you wouldn’t be and you know that too but given her delicate state would your dsis see it that way and then be less likely to seek support for wherever is best. Only you can decide that as you know her best. It may be that someone slightly out of the family circle may be better.

LanaorAna2 · 01/05/2018 20:47

Wording it is always the tricky bit, isn't it. I don't think, given how vulnerable she's feeling, that friends are the right call just now - she'll think you're going behind her back, which you are. That approach won't make her open up. Friends will be useful later when she is trying to cut down on the buying.

I would take her out for tea and talk to her about things. Don't make a big drama out of saying 'are you ok for money because there's a lot of stuff coming through the letterbox' and gently point out how incredibly common spending disorders are. But talk to her more, and most, about whether she's feeling ok (she isn't) and if she's frightened about how she's feeling (she is).

The real issue here is fixing the feelings, not the shopping, so work on that. Don't make her feel guilty for lying or spending too long on the Very website. Do make her know it's ok to tell you how sad she is.

sockunicorn · 01/05/2018 20:48

@getawfmylaaaand to lie about cervical cancer, have it split your family and then "brush it under the carpet" is bonkers IMO. Thats some serious issues she has there. I definitely think this is something needing more than just ignoring. Could her exH have got remarried/had a baby/moved in with partner? something to set her off and make her feel a bit unwanted maybe? So shes making up the attention?

To be fair making up that FAMILY have bought things is pretty dangerously close to being found out. Could you not mention the thing she said your mum bought her, in front of her and your mum, just to bring it up and maybe stage an intervention?

Cindie943811A · 01/05/2018 20:49

She is a fantasist. I’m afraid that if challenged she will find another outlet for it, maybe one not so innocent. She is hurting only herself unless she’s getting into serious debt. She obviously needs professional help but I don’t know how you would introduce the subject. Does she have parents? Can you have a word with her mother?

MadeForThis · 01/05/2018 20:50

Have you seen the gifts again?

She may not be getting into debt. She might make a big show of receiving the gift then secretly return it??

CocoPuffsInGodMode · 01/05/2018 20:53

I don't think I'd speak to her friends really, that could backfire badly. She could well see that as you telling people she's a liar or trying to turn her friends against her, who knows how she might take it?

I know it would be meant in an effort to help but you can sort of imagine how you might feel if a family member spoke to other people about something like this. I think it would be excruciatingly embarrassing knowing that various people knew you'd made up an admirer and gifts.

Orchidflower1 · 01/05/2018 20:53

Agree that shopping is symptom of something not the actual problem whether it low self esteem or something more complex. Tried to make a link above to mind - hope it’s useful.

billybagpuss · 01/05/2018 20:53

I think you should talk to your mum again and see if she has any suggestions. You do need to talk to Dsis but maybe it would be better coming from mum as the parental bond is different to the sibling bond and she may be able to handle it less defensively coming from her. I know if it were one of my DD's they would be defensive and awful with each other, but marginally less so with me.

Good luck, this is such a sad thread and I so hope she is ok

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