To wonder why Jeremy corbyn and labour supports can't stop being anti semantic?

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Why is there still such a problem with labour? As unpopular as the Tories are they aren't going to get elected while they keep harbouring such views.

I'm getting increasingly concerned that Tories will remain in power

I agreee they really don’t like signs and signifiers.

I don't have an axe to grind here, as I'm not in any political party. I don't have roots in either the Jewish or Palestinian culture.

However this much is clear to me:

Jews have been treated very badly by many
Anti semites are vile.
Palestinians have been treated badly by Israelis.

Watching sky news tonight and totally shocked at seeing Jeremy and then Dianne looking so old, lost, confused behind him. Bloody sad.

What a bloody shower. Jeremy was ever a massive twat but wtaf happened to Di.

He looked like her very reluctant carer

There is anti-semitism on both the hard left and the hard right, for semantically different reasons. The right hates Jews, the left hates ‘zionists’.

Everyone else can see that the hard left and the hard right are two cheeks of the same arse.

Totally agree both the hard left and right are racist and neither will acknowledge it.

fessmess Why are people on MN so keen to whitewash anti-semitism? Yet you say mention monkeys or bananas to a black person and all hell breaks loose?

I think ALL racism should be called out. I really do not understand why the lived experience of Jews in Britain who have suffered anti-semitism from the labour party is being denied?

When I heard that some in the media were claiming that Jeremy Corbyn attending a Passover feast organised by a Jewish group was anti-Semitic, I decided said media are obviously full of shit.

The rush to deny deny deny on MN tonight is sickening. Look, the dude himself apologized for the aweful behaviour of some members of his party, stop burying your head in the ground.
Face it, the all righteous Labour has racist cunts in it. Better to recognise it and fight it than let it fester and become the face of political Hypocrisy.

What Ofa said.
Antisemitism is a real problem in British politics. It's currently very prevalent on the left and the Labour Party machinery has failed to clamp down on it.
I hope Corbyn now gets his act together and makes it unacceptable,
It's just bollocks to say it's all a conspiracy or that it's all down to right wing newspapers.

Jeremy Corbyn hates anyone who has money, and he perceives Jews as having money. Therefore he hates Jews. even his own son is involved with the BNP.

Doesn't look like anything is going to change.

Interesting figures.

Its a conspiracy, right wing newspapers are to blame. What nonsense, the deniers are out in force on this topic.
So Ruth Smeeth MP and Luciana Berger MP are telling lies. Smeeth who received a standing ovation in the House of Commons for her recent speech on anti Semetic threats, dismissed claims of anti-Semitism as smears.
Labour has failed to implement any recommendations of a 2016 review into Anti -Semitism and other forms of racism in the party.

Many on the far left see Jews as rich manipulators , rich being the main problem . The far left don't really like the working class that much but they really really hate the wealthy .

I am proudly anti-semantic.
Not anti-Semitic though.
Or is that just semantics?

I have many labour supporters on my Facebook and see a lot of anti Semitic stuff. Ironic considering how lefty liberal they consider themselves to be. For example, on holocaust Memorial Day, instead of acknowledging what happened in the holocaust, they’ll post a rant about the way Palastinians are treated. Fair enough, but to post it on holocaust Memorial Day? A deliberately anti Semitic gesture.

There is a problem with some far-left elements of Labour being anti-Semitic. Some of this is genuine - we've seen nasty examples from people associated with labour. Some of it is the media stoking up fires (for example, treating criticism of Israel as anti-semitism). It leads to a very difficult situation where someone like Corbyn (not himself anti-Semitic) is trying to hold on to his nuanced beliefs about Israel and Palestine while also condemning anti-semitism. That's a hard line to walk and he isn't currently getting it right.

That said, it's an absolute nonsense to suggest that this is purely labour's problem when the tories have a much larger racism problem themselves. Somehow people have been duped into thinking that the tories have the moral high ground on this issue and it's nonsensical.

I think part of the issue is that Jeremy Corbyn finds expulsion or party discipline uncomfortable. So is reluctant to act.

As an LP member, i have witnessed Anti-Semitism (and reported it), as someone with Jewish ancestry, it does make me extremely uncomfortable. I don't think JC is Anti-Semitic but many of his followers are and use the Israel/Palestine issue to defend their appalling beliefs.
I have no issue criticising the Israeli government in the same way I'd criticise May or Trump but denying Jewish people the right to a homeland is Anti-Semitic IMO.
It's not a right wing conspiracy. The fact is, We, as an L.P. have a problem and until we acknowledge this and start doing what we can to root it out and challenge It, we will remain having a problem.

Anti-Semitism reports need to be taken seriously as any other form of bigotry should be in the L.P. I'm absolutely sick of Anti-Semitism being mentioned and only hearing back "but what about Israel/Tories/Zionist global conspiracies". These types in the L.P. are doing us a disservice and need to stop.

It seems like some newspapers equate any criticism of the Israeli government's actions as anti-Semitic. I do think there are some problems that need addressing in the Labour party but don't agree they are as widespread as is being reported. Some of the media is gleefully spinning a mountain out of what is maybe a small hillock.

And hazell42 I think I am saying semantics is the issue!

I am a labour member and I am NOT anti semantic or semitic - stop lumping us all together!

There are some true delights of holocaust denial and final solution jokes (amongst some labour supporters) that JC refused to condemn for a very long time

I have no issues with criticism of Israel - I'm Jewish and I loathe the behaviour of the Israeli state

I do have significant issues with attacks on Jews, dangerous stereotyping and death threats to Jewish MPs being whitewashed.

The approach of some on the left of the Labour Party is in my opinion anti-semetic. There seems to be an attitude amongst these people that you are either pro Israel or against . The current Labour Party had moved towards this stance over the last few years. Whilst people may have held these views under Blair and milliband they had no platform - but that has changed. There does seem to be an attitude in the Labour Party that labour supporters are either with Corbyn or against him. In reality all political parties represent a broad spectrum of views, however this stance means many are being pushed away from labour. Therefore leading to a weak opposition which is not good for democracy.

Corbyn shares views on Israel with my very Jewish DF and DGM. Are they also anti-Semitic despite being practicing Jews? People need to stop conflating anti-Zionism with anti-semitism. Not the same thing.

It’s hard to criticise Israel’s government without it being considered anti Zionist surely? But lots of criticism of Israel definitely gets lumped as antisemitism. Funnily enough the only antisemite holocaust denier I know IRL is a Tory suppporter.