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Trumpwatch: Courage Calls to Courage Everywhere

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lionheart · 24/04/2018 20:00

Let's hope he is done soon. Smile

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/04/2018 10:38

Me neither lion!

I thought Hennessey's point was worth remembering:

Ed Krassenstein 💎
‏*@EdKrassen*
BREAKING: President Trump’s lawyer Michael Cohen just invoked his Fifth Amendment right, basically admitting that he’s a criminal.

Susan Hennessey
@Susan_Hennessey
More Susan Hennessey Retweeted Ed Krassenstein 💎
A US citizen asserting his constitutionally guaranteed right—as absolutely any counsel would advise he should—is not, in any way, an admission of guilt.

lionheart · 26/04/2018 10:39

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jimm-wine-banks-trump-warning_us_5ae177a3e4b02baed1b6849d

'A former prosecutor during the Watergate scandal that ultimately led to President Richard Nixon’s 1974 resignation issued a stark warning to President Donald Trump on Wednesday.

“He cannot take the Fifth Amendment,” Jill Wine-Banks said on MSNBC. “That would be political suicide.”'

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lionheart · 26/04/2018 12:21

Interesting.

www.zdnet.com/article/fisa-court-denied-record-surveillance-orders-trump-first-year/

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/04/2018 13:16

The Associated Press
@AP
BREAKING: White House doctor Ronny Jackson withdraws as VA secretary nominee, calls allegations against him `false and fabricated'

lionheart · 26/04/2018 13:25

The Associated Press

Verified account

@AP

The Latest: White House doctor Ronny Jackson is withdrawing from consideration as Veterans Affairs secretary. Jackson says "false allegations" against him have become a distraction.

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lionheart · 26/04/2018 13:25

The Associated Press

Verified account

@AP
2m2 minutes ago

BREAKING: President Trump says he has decided not to be involved in Justice Department Russia probe, but "may change my mind"

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/04/2018 13:36

Natasha Bertrand
@NatashaBertrand
Wow. Trump just said only “a tiny fraction” of his interactions with Cohen had to do with legal work.
Does that mean only “a tiny fraction” of the seized documents are protected by attorney client privilege?

cozietoesie · 26/04/2018 13:40

So the VA is now rudderless?

lionheart · 26/04/2018 13:40

He is just having a phone interview with Fox news. Smile

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lionheart · 26/04/2018 13:42

Kyle Griffin
‏Verified account

@kylegriffin1
16m16 minutes ago

Trump confirms that Michael Cohen represented him on Stormy Daniels: "Michael would represent me, and represent me on some things. He represents me— like with this crazy Stormy Daniels deal, he represented me."

Trump says Cohen represented him in a "tiny" amount of legal issues.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/04/2018 13:43

Couldn't watch this but looks like it was fun

Carole Cadwalladr
‏****@carolecadwalla
Mark Zuckerberg has refused three times to answer MPs questions. Will Facebook's CTO Mike Schroepfer have the answers they need? Watch live in parliament now...now..now...

www.theguardian.com/technology/live/2018/apr/26/facebook-chief-mike-schroepfer-faces-grilling-at-mps-fake-news-inquiry-live

Fundamental disconnect going down. @DamianCollins: voters have "complete lack of protection" voters from highly targeted political ads. Facebook CTO: you can click a button if you don't like ad "& very soon you will have an actual product experience" that is more helpful to you

Did Russian IRA use custom audiences in the United States? Facebook CTO: "I didn't come prepared for that question."

Facebook CTO: "We found £1 worth of spend by the IRA in Brexit." @DamianCollins "That doesn't mean they couldn't have found another way." Facebook CTO: "I can't prove a negative." This is going well.

This session sums up the whole Facebook problem. UK parliament wants to understand the threat to our entire democratic structure. Facebook sends techie-in-chief who talks about details of automated systems. It’s just another sign that Facebook doesn’t get it. [I'd say they're intentionally stalling but defer to Carole's expertise!]

Ooh good question from @JoStevensLabour. Why did you send legal threat to @guardian when you'd previously relied on the organisation to bring the previous breach to light? Facebook: "We were correcting certain facts".

And another good question. @JoStevensLabour "Did you inform the Information Commissioner when you found about Cambridge Analytica having this data in 2015?" Facebook: "We did not."

And another good question. @JoStevensLabour "Did you inform the Information Commissioner when you found about Cambridge Analytica having this data in 2015?" Facebook: "We did not."

Here it comes. When did you find out Kogan's business partner, Joseph Chancellor, actually works for Facebook? "We only found quite recently. We are investigating this now."

A LOT of qs for Facebook here. They didn't even know that @AleksandrBKogan's partner worked for Facebook?? They didn't ask if he still had data? This was this rigorous investigation they undertook after @guardian article...& refused to answer journalists' qs about for 2 years

Paul-Olivier Dehaye
‏***@podehaye
Facebook CTO just mislead the committee. Facebook would have learned of Chancellor at the latest Nov 2016, not "last year". cc @carolecadwalla @HNSGR*

Carole Cadwalladr
@carolecadwalla
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True. @HNSGR you told them, didn't you?

Brilliant from @julianknight15! "Are you going to apologise to @guardian** for this bullying behaviour? Sending a legal letter to try and shut this story down" Facebook: "It was our understanding that this is normal practice in the UK." !!!

Wow. MPs are now going for it. @julianknight15: "Was sending in your people to Cambridge Analytica's office an attempt to pervert the course of justice?" Which - FYI - is criminal offence.

Phew. @CommonsCMS is scorchio! "Bullying journalists, intimidating academic institutions, impeding legal inquiries...there's a pattern of behaviour. Is Facebook a morality-free zone?" Facebook CTO: "Great things are happening every single day on our products."

Oh look! Well spotted @podehaye. Now confirmed by Facebook in written evidence to parliament. Cambridge Analytica & AIQ = "billing & administrative connections".

twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/989459462971895811

Facebook floundering now. @JulieElliottMP: "How many UK Facebook users were targeted by foreign entities in EU ref?" Facebook CTO: "I don't have that analysis" "You must have that info otherwise you would not be complying with UK law. It's illegal for foreign entities to do so."

Paul-Olivier Dehaye
@podehaye
The facts of #surveillancecapitalism is that there is no escape from the past collection of historical data. The data is there and can harm you in the future. Facebook now has all the data, but its CTO is always tiptoeing, minimizing harm of looking back to his company.

Carole Cadwalladr
@carolecadwalla
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How many companies gathered Facebook friends' data? How many times were people's profiles harvested? Where is that info now?

OMG. Facebook. Just. Doesn't. Get. It. Paul Farrelly,MP: "You're a player in this. Accept it. You're not a neutral platform." Facebook CTO: "We try to offer advice to any customer of ours who wants to use our product better." The whole problem. In one q & a, right here.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/04/2018 13:45

[it's still ongoing and carole's still live tweeting it]

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/04/2018 14:19

European Commission To Call Out Russia For 'Information Warfare'

www.rferl.org/a/european-commission-to-call-out-russia-for-information-warfare-/29192052.html

lionheart · 26/04/2018 14:29

You have got to watch the Trump Fox thing--turn the sound down and watch the three horrified hosts on the couch.

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AcrossthePond55 · 26/04/2018 14:33

So Scrotus admits that Cohen 'represented me on this crazy Stormy Daniels deal', and Cohen takes the 5th on what he did to 'do the deal'. This means that 1- whatever the 'deal' was involved an illegality of some type and 2- Scrotus either directed Cohen to do it or Cohen told Scrotus what he was going to do and Scrotus OK'd it. Either way it looks like Scrotus is guilty of an illegal act, either directly or indirectly.

And so now Scrotus says he 'isn't going to be involved with the Mueller probe'. Does that mean he was interfering or trying to interfere before now? (I think we all know the answer to that question)

PerkingFaintly · 26/04/2018 14:53

Shock I had to put an umbrella up, so many shoes are dropping!

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lionheart · 26/04/2018 15:01

And so they should.

www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/apr/26/koch-brothers-trump-administration-resumes-democrats

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/04/2018 15:13

Is it me or does there seem to be an influx of "russian measures" articles recently?

The Russia Investigations: What You Need To Know About Russian 'Active Measures'
www.npr.org/2018/04/25/586099619/the-russia-investigations-what-you-need-to-know-about-russian-active-measures

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/04/2018 15:18

Pruitt is currently facing questions re: his multiple ethics scandals. Live reporting here:

thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/384975-live-coverage-pruitt-faces-grilling-in-house-hearings

lionheart · 26/04/2018 15:30

I don't know Pain. I think they might be testing and refining some tactics ahead of the mid-terms. They have so many tentacles that a few exposed and lopped off here and there make no odds.

You can also watch the hearing: www.c-span.org/

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/04/2018 15:46

It seems as though more people are cottoning on to the idea of active measures/Russian information warfare, and if it filters to the general discourse, it can only be good.

In regards to this:

Natasha Bertrand
@NatashaBertrand
Wow. Trump just said only “a tiny fraction” of his interactions with Cohen had to do with legal work.
Does that mean only “a tiny fraction” of the seized documents are protected by attorney client privilege?

This has now happened:

Natasha Bertrand
‏**@NatashaBertrand**
Update: SDNY prosecutors are now using this comment against Trump. (see footnote on page 4.) assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4447558/Cohen-USAO-20180426.pdf

cozietoesie · 26/04/2018 15:47

I don't think it's just you, Pain. Wink