To have my blood boiling in defence of mumsnet

[Sunflowersforever]

I'm telling you people, I'm mighty pissed off this morning.

What's getting my plus size knickers twisted on such a sunny Sunday morning? Well, to again have mumsnet referenced as some sort of devious place where women (shock horror) are 'allowed' to talk among themselves about stuff related to them with the insinuation it must be stopped.

Sorry for the language, but Fuck Off.

I've used this place for all sorts of brilliant support, from my daughter being bullied at school, step children challenges, menopause angst, to name a few. I've also been part of the transgender debate and have learnt lots, and challenged other views. It's called debate and discussion.

But someone else has said AGAIN how mumsnet is a dangerous place that encourages violence against people? WTF. No, never, doesn't happen.

What is this about? Why the push to close us down? Approaching sponsors to withdraw from mumsnet? FFS. So so angry about this now.

I love this place, it often keeps me sane.

HANDS OFF MUMSNET TOSSERS

Phew, feel a bit better after that.

AUBU?

"advocating violence against the transgender community"?

No one has ever done that here.

We don't even come close to matching the aggression of TRAs. We need to be more robust in our actions and arguments, not less.

Skarossinkplunger

There was a thread on here along for signatures to a petition, again placed in AIBU for more traffic, it was pointed out that it really belonged in Activism. MNHQ was directly asked and this was ignored until after the deadline when it was put in Activism.

Are you talking about the petition to ask the government to consult with women about Self ID?

That was moved into activism months before the deadline.

Wisdens

I'm not demanding anything of you.

I am rather surprised that you are arguing that there's too much Trans stuff on MN, though. If you aren't bothered, why click on it?

Wisdens where is the aggression?

On the general trans debate here? Why am I thinking of Nelson holding his telescope to his blind eye and saying ‘I see no ships’!

I have expressed no opinion either way on the topic. I’m on the fence. However, I assume that using caps on MN is considered shouting. Look at the first reply to me from SuitedandBooted. Now to me, that tone seems a little aggressive. There is far, far worse on here too.

I think eventually MN will either ban it or a lot of posters who aren’t interested will go elsewhere.

I don't think they'll ban it unless too many advertisers pull the plug.

Oh, I'm seriously fucking raging this morning, having just watched this video where masked 'protesters' physically prevent women attending a public meeting. Who the FUCK do they think they are?

www.facebook.com/julie.bindel/videos/pcb.10160135970780316/10160135907955316/?type=3&theater

It also made my mild mannered husband rant furious at the gall of these fuckers. Game on though.

Thank you, once more, to @JustineMumsnet and @MNHQ for continuing to allow women to speak on this, despite the threats and intimidation from Trans Activists.

Matters are not helped by deliberate trolls logging in, deliberately posting something inflammatory, screenshotting it and disingenuously posting it on Twitter as 'proof' of our anti trans stance.

I'm anti TRA. People wishing to discuss the proposals to the GRA are not transphobic.

Threatening people who wish to discuss this topic is to threaten free speech.

Launching campaigns against venues who are asked to host gender critical discussions by traducing us and causing them to fear potential violence is to threaten free speech under false pretences.

Deliberately confusing people and ignoring the distress of others by throwing in irrelevant topics like intersex people who have repeatedly demanded to be left out of this argument, is unforgivable.

Standing up to TRAs is not transphobic.

Standing up for facts and science is not transphobic.

True gender dysphoria is a recognised and distressing disorder and I believe the current laws strike just the right balance.

However...the idea that birth certificates should be changed to match what the sufferers think they should be and for doctors to have to register people born male as female patients is ridiculous.

The idea that, in the future, men will suffer ovarian cancer and women will suffer from prostate problems is truly ridiculous.

A GRC should only state that a person born as XX or XY wishes to be considered as someone of the opposite sex and must be treated accordingly.

Of course, exceptions must be made for intersex people who were mistakenly assigned the incorrect sex at birth but to try and piggy back your mental illness onto legislation designed to accomodate people born with physical conditions is simply taking advantage of a tiny, almost voiceless minority.

Where did this rigid thinking about gender roles come from?

Who's been teaching it?

Who is encouraging this gender stereotyping?

Why are teachers and medical professionals so keen to reinforce, medicalise and 'treat' what is, essentially, a social problem?

As more examples are publicised in the mainstream press (yes, even the Daily Fail), the greater the chance of the general public peak transing.

And writing to their MP.

This is an awful thing to say, but more 'trans-on-feminist' assault cases reaching the courts (and papers), may help too. ☹

When's the next meeting? I bruise like a peach. Photos of someone like me in the papers will swing a few opinions......🤤

SuitedandBooted

Because this this thread isn’t about the trans debate but about the site as a whole.

All women want is the ability to talk about these issues.

And in order to do this, they are having to raise a petition and negotiate masked men blocking access to their meetings.

It's not right. I don't see how anyone can justify that it is.

I'm just glad that every day more and more people are hearing about or seeing this and are shocked by it.

daffodildelight

Wake up. Look at this video. Educate yourself. Or your daughters will have to submit to this crap

Fairenuff No, the open letter regarding Girl Guides.

On the general trans debate here?

There is no general trans debate. There are plenty of debates of how women can become allowed to speak about the issues that affect them.

My controlling ex-husband used Mumsnet as a stick to beat me with. Nest of vipers comments, making me ashamed of sharing my abusers with other women, forcing me not to go on Mumsnet unless it was secretly, telling me it was skewing my views (like I am not capable of making up my own mind on issues).

he did this for the same reason he isolated me from friendships and family - because he was scared to death that someone would tell me he was wrong. And of course they did.

Mumsnet did tell me to leave my husband, it forced me to compare my relationship to other's and realise it was wrong.

When I left Mumsnet supported me.

This is just one of the reasons we need it and why men are scared of it.

my abuse... not abusers (that would be weird!)

Wisdens I asked you for examples of the aggression that you've seen on MN and this is what you come up with?

SuitedandBooted wrote 'Have you actually read this AT ALL?' and your reply is 'Now to me, that tone seems a little aggressive.

You really think that is aggression?

Last night Delia Johnston, the former head of a charity campaigning for trans sportspeople to be allowed to compete in their chosen gender, condemned Ms Truss. Ms Johnston said: ‘She is giving kudos to Mumsnet who are particularly vicious on this particular front. Truss could be investigated for backing a group that is effectively advocating violence against the transgender community. She may be a terf in disguise.’

Yeah, let's all listen to whoever thinks transwomeh should be able to win all female competitions.

IMO, just because a certain issue is at the forefront just now is no reason to start citing that this mostly women's arena be censored or shut down.

What if the next big debate is about a national vote on abortion, or women over 40 denied voting rights (obviously made that one up ). The point is about having a space to talk without other groups saying what we as women can or cannot discuss.

I may not agree with all issues, but I defend the right to have the conversation.

I absolutely defend the right for mumsnet to exist as is.

Fairenuff. Have it your way. MN is all sweetness and light with only civilised debate and no aggressiveness whatsoever. You’re right. I’m wrong if that pleases you.

Meanwhile, the sun is shining outside and I have no desire to go down the wormhole that is this whole debate on MN.

Mind how you go.

Mumsnet is playing a vital part in women's history at the moment. I won't forget that and will boycott anyone who boycotts Mumsnet.

Plus, I bet I've got loads more money than most of the TRAs.

Why is everything violence against them?

But I agree with you OP.

What actually is a "TERF in disguise"? Is that a feminist who doesn't exclude trans people, so TRAs can't object to their behaviour. Seriously WTF?

Placemarking

Fairenuff. Have it your way. MN is all sweetness and light with only civilised debate and no aggressiveness whatsoever. You’re right. I’m wrong if that pleases you.

Is there a law that women have to be all sweetness and light, and have only civilised debate? Are we very very bad, and un-womanly, if we're don't behave?