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To be shocked that this is happening in Britain in 2018?

542 replies

Spending2muchtimeonMN · 22/04/2018 00:38

Masked men try to prevent women from attending a lawful, public meeting to discuss the impact of proposed changes to the law on women's rights:

www.facebook.com/julie.bindel/videos/pcb.10160135970780316/10160135907955316

OP posts:
Juells · 22/04/2018 10:28

Anyone trying to minimise this signals that they think intimidating women is acceptable.

Juells · 22/04/2018 10:29

Other excuses for and minimisations of male violence against women include

You forgot the 'skulls like eggshells' one.

ParisUSM · 22/04/2018 10:29

Find it incredible that some people think they wouldn't be intimidated in such a situation. I work in a school and if a group of 12 year olds blocked my way from going up stairs I'd be terrified and it would be dealt with extremely seriously. If grown men blocked my way I would be very frightened, and no amount of martial arts would help you if it turned nasty.

Interesting that the males use their body strength to intimidate while the females stand at the back giggling. Do these men really not see the irony of this?

BuggerBugger · 22/04/2018 10:29

Fair enough. You all see it differently.

Noqonterfy · 22/04/2018 10:30

They were masked men threatening women and preventing them from meeting up with other women. We only need to look back in history to understand why we cannot allow this type of behaviour and the silencing / control of others to creep in again. It needs to stop here and people need to continue to speak up against it. Otherwise by the time you realise that things have gone way too far, it will already be too late. People would do well to remember this.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 22/04/2018 10:31

Yes, we see it with the knowledge that a similar type to these desperadoes has a conviction for punching a woman in the face at a previous event.

Elendon · 22/04/2018 10:32

No we don't all see it differently. You are the one who sees it differently, you and sentMai.

The vast majority on this thread see intimidation and violence.

LangCleg · 22/04/2018 10:37

"You are free to leave."

I mean, come on. Fuck the fuck off, you bourgeois little shits. Women are free to enter public meetings, thank you. It's like a cross between Scientology (ludicrous magical belief cult) and the Taliban (woman-hating fascism).

We're not in bloody Gilead. Women can say things other people don't like. I intend to keep saying things that make some posh berk - who wouldn't know oppression from a slice of fucking avocado toast - mask up to try and stop me saying.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 22/04/2018 10:37

You forgot the 'skulls like eggshells' one

Feel free to add to the list ...

peanut2017 · 22/04/2018 10:39

Shocking behavior - anyone know if they eventually got into the event?

Elendon · 22/04/2018 10:40

They did

youtu.be/Lvu9hOtAhFg

AngryAttackKittens · 22/04/2018 10:42

We're not in bloody Gilead. Women can say things other people don't like. I intend to keep saying things that make some posh berk - who wouldn't know oppression from a slice of fucking avocado toast - mask up to try and stop me saying.

"I know this is difficult for you, Tarquin, but sometimes women say things that you don't like, and you're not allowed to hit them. Yes, I know that's what you used to do with the nanny, and of course we allowed you to continue because we didn't want to stifle your creativity, but you're a grown-up now and we wouldn't want you to end up with a police caution on your record."

LangCleg · 22/04/2018 10:47

"I know this is difficult for you, Tarquin, but sometimes women say things that you don't like, and you're not allowed to hit them. Yes, I know that's what you used to do with the nanny, and of course we allowed you to continue because we didn't want to stifle your creativity, but you're a grown-up now and we wouldn't want you to end up with a police caution on your record."

Haha. The DH was watching the videos last night and said, "Fuck me, what a bunch of Tarquins and Jocastas doing Wolfie Smyth cosplay."

Not funny when you're in the middle of it though.

Springnowplease · 22/04/2018 10:52

Bunch of blokes trying to stop women discussing women's rights.

Too scared to show their faces, sounds about right.

My suffragette grandmother knew the type.

ParisUSM · 22/04/2018 10:54

Haha, it does remind me of the idiots selling Socialist Worker at uni, just out of public school and with the knowledge daddy would get them a job in banking whenever they moved on from their rebellious period.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 22/04/2018 10:55

My suffragette grandmother knew the type

Yes - they were so sure in those days of women's frailty that they did not allow them the vote, yet they would throw stones at them and even set one venue for a meeting alight when the women were in it. The hatred. It burns.

yetanothertranswoman · 22/04/2018 10:58

@sentMai

I am trans. People who do this kind of thing need to be condemned. They do not speak for me and their actions are reprehensible.

BertrandRussell · 22/04/2018 10:58

I think we need to be very careful how we describe this

Yes, it was utterly outrageous and I would have assumed illegal. Yes, it was outrageous that the police didn’t get involved.

But it was not violent. And talking about “posh boys” is counter productive.

missymarmite · 22/04/2018 11:00

AIBU for having no clue about what is going on? Who are the people preventing entry? Who are the people trying to enter? What is the meeting about? And why are they trying to prevent entry? What is "sisters uncut"?

I feel like an alien dropped on a strange planet where everyone expects me to know cultural stuff I have no clue about!!!

TerfsUp · 22/04/2018 11:03

I don't. The anonymity I was talking about is discussed on the feminism board where some prominent and self-declared TERFs had their IPs made public by an ex-MN staffer.

That is not true.

What happened is that a former intern, Emma Healey, posted screenshots on her Twitter of posts by four MNers. The screen shots showed the IP addresses of the posters. One had already de-regged so MN were not able to contact her / him. The other posters were contacted by MN to alert them of the security breach.

The OP has no way of knowing if the posters whose IP addresses were "prominent and self-declared terfs". This is hysteria and distorting the issue.

This has been discussed extensively on the FWR board.

ParisUSM · 22/04/2018 11:04

@yetanothertranswoman I can only imagine the impact of seeing behaviour like this. It does not to anything for trans rights at all. I hate that I've hit peak trans because of idiots like these.

ChattyLion · 22/04/2018 11:06

Interesting that the males use their body strength to intimidate while the females stand at the back giggling. Do these men really not see the irony of this?

Paris I thought exactly the same watching those videos of the male supremacists aggressively blocking the stairs up to that meeting with their fucking cowardly faces covered. The male ones are using their male bodies to intimidate women, using that together with their disgustingly entitled socialisation gone very wrong. While the female handmaidens giggle at the back.

It’s contemptible and a female-oppressing pattern and tactic as old as time.

If these (mostly male but some female) male-centring bunch of thugs believe that sex is such a load of old-fashioned unreality and bullshit, why did that confrontation on the stairs work that way?

AngryAttackKittens · 22/04/2018 11:07

One of the people whose IP address was revealed is actually pro-trans. Her comment was a joke. Apparently Emma isn't very good at understanding those, so now her info is out there as a "TERF" and still being passed around on Twitter.

OrchidInTheSun · 22/04/2018 11:08

@missymarmite - the masked people were trying to prevent women from attending a meeting to discuss proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act to allow anyone to self-identify as the opposite sex.

Sisters Uncut organised the masked people.

LangCleg · 22/04/2018 11:08

I am trans. People who do this kind of thing need to be condemned. They do not speak for me and their actions are reprehensible.

And those doing it aren't trans - beyond some subculture notion of genderqueer/genderfluid/NB - either. It would infuriate me if I were you, yetanother.