To be shocked that this is happening in Britain in 2018?

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Masked men try to prevent women from attending a lawful, public meeting to discuss the impact of proposed changes to the law on women's rights:

www.facebook.com/julie.bindel/videos/pcb.10160135970780316/10160135907955316

sentMai so a bunch of masked men, and a woman, who are known associates of a convicted attacker of older women, block the path of older women in a stair case - with them higher up the stairs so the women could easily be pushed down.

Those women report feeling intimated - but your response is that they're making it up?!!

Have a word with yourself FFS.
You are making yourself sound ridiculous.

But please carry on - you are demonstrating quite clearly the delusional thinking of trans rights activists on violence towards women - it matters so little to you, you can't even see it can you?

You're more concerned women use the correct pronouns when speaking to those who intimidate and attack them, than in the safety of those women.

Shame on you.

We see you.

I wonder how many lurkers are reading Sentmai’s posts and thinking “gosh, that is so wise, I must reform my erroneous thinking” and how many are thinking “#peaktrans”

Any bets?

I think it is relevant as a group of prepuscent effeminate 'men' are surely far less threatening than a group of very masculine strong men. I certainly would feel less threatened/frightened in one situation than the other

Eh? They were not prepubescent! That's just silly. And the ones at the front doing the talking were definitely intimidating.

The comments about feeling intimidated are in the recording of the event. Speakers from the panel and the audience mention it.

Sentmai why are you defending and minimizing male intimidation of women gathering to peacefully discuss women's rights?

Why are you minimizing data breaches?

Is that what one has to do in order to support genderism?

IMO if you find yourself starting to bluster about making idiotic arguments about the right to wear a mask in public in order to obstruct others because data protection, it's time to take a serious look at what you are defending.

sendMai

Magdelyn Burns, who's the one who was lunged at by a young woman angry that Magdelyn failed to untuit that her chosen pronoun was "they", has just been treated for brain cancer, and looks every bit as frail as you'd guess based on that information.

If you think that handwaving that sort of thing away is making your cause look stronger then I suspect you're in for an unpleasant surprise.

So you are supposed to politely ask if the person intimidating you it blocking your path is a Mr, Miss, Ms or sparkle unicorn before you engage with them?

"Oi you, mug in a mask - shift your arse". That can work for all of the above.

Wait, does puberty start at 22 now? The things you learn on Mumsnet.

I wouldn't have bothered commenting on this thread if it had said 'group of masked protesters blocked the way ahead of a controversial talk by political spokeswoman Dr whateverhernameis.

You can call words like 'terrorist' and 'violent' inflammatory, and so far there are no reports that anybody was hurt at the event.

However, isn't it a bit odd to think that a feminist academic talking about gender is controversial in 2018?

Isn't it worrying that instead of contributing to the conversation, or exercising their right to protest peacefully, they tried to stop the event taking place?

Obviously you don't have to comment on any thread, but take away all the discussion of violence, and you are still left with an organisation that is actively trying to stop freedom of speech. Isn't that worrying?

if these were great big strapping males they would be less likely to be trans right activists.

Not true. Many TRAs are not trans. One of Maria's attackers alongside Tara Wood was a large guy. He can be clearly seen on the video of speaker's corner intimidating women on both "sides".

TheElementsSong I would imagine most are thinking that both sides in this argument are a little ridiculous.

Looking at the video it seemed like there were as many women as men on the stairs and most looked about as scary as a sheep in a balaclava.

Should they be blocking the stairs? No. But it was all a little sixth form agitation on both sides.

She's not a political spokeswoman. She did speak for the Women's Equality Party on violence against women and girls, which is one of her areas of academic expertise. They subjected her to disciplinary procedures for going on The Moral Maze last year and questioning in very mild terms the recent change in practice from watchful waiting with gender questioning children to a rapid move to affirming them as the opposite gender. Dr Brunskill Evans has since resigned from her role with WEP.

Those masked thugs are just Men's Rights Activists, aren't they? Why do they think that's edgy and woke? It's just the same thing that men have done as long as the human race has existed.

I think we should stop referring to them as TRAs, and start telling the truth. They're MRAs.

If this ever happened in the Sixth Form my son attends I and other parents would be seriously concerned. It simply wouldn't happen though.

Well, I've looked at the videos and what I saw was a bunch of masked men blocking a narrow staircase and more masked men behind the two women.

If I'd been one of the women, I certainly would have felt intimidation and fear.

Let's not pretend there's anything new about masked youth usually young males attending any event they disagree with in order to intimidate others without having to show their face and stand behind their actions and words.

if these were great big strapping males they'd be less likely to,be trans right activists

Really?

Let's not pretend there's anything new about masked youth usually young males attending any event they disagree with in order to intimidate others without having to show their face and stand behind their actions and words

Yes, definitely reflective of male behaviour patterns more generally.

Oh come on Bore! If he swung that baseball bat he’d probably overbalance!

Really buggerbugger?

What do you think would have happened if the women had tried to go up the stairs?

Indeed why didn't they? Julie Bindel is a pretty tough person and unfortunately quite used to male intimidation. Why didn't she just walk past them up the stairs and continue her business? I mean surely if was a sixth form style jape?

Is that what you would have done? Just ignore the school children?

Or would you have felt nervous of trying to push passed a group of masked men on a narrow stair, especially considering that one of their number has recently been in court for assault on an older women?

They might sound like snotty sixth formers but they act like thuggish MRAs. Would you be so keen to defend them if they sounded a bit less posh? Is middle class thuggery OK in the world according to trans?

What's "effeminate" about any of the men in the stairwell anyway? The fact that one of them had a pink scarf over his face?

I'm fairly certain that the wearing of a pink scarf does not disable a person's fists of upper body strength.

Bore - that image always makes me smile. How old us it? Is Tarquin back at the bank now?

Again - these people were not kids.
Also - in the JB clip apparently they were all men except 1.
Reminder that Tara was over 6 foot with a male physique.
Anyone trying to minimise this needs to have a look at themselves.

Gosh, how lovely to live in a world where you glance at a person carrying a baseball bat, and not in a sporting context, and feel nothing but mild amusement. Maybe I'm unusually cowardly but I find that threatening, and I would regardless of the political/philosophical stance of the person carrying it.

Oh come on Bore! If he swung that baseball bat he’d probably overbalance

Other excuses for and minimisations of male violence against women include

• she asked for it.
• she hit her head on the door
• she fell onto the knife
• I thought there was an intruder so I pulled the trigger
• she mocked me so it was in self-defence

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