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To think FB is bugging my phone?!

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WaitingForSunday17 · 21/04/2018 19:34

I spoke with my mum on the phone about something extremely specific. An extremely specific item that you wouldn't normally need.
Ten minutes later it's popped up in my FB ads. How? How is this possible. The specific product and shop my mum mentioned on the phone. It cannot be coincidence.
I'm freaked out. I haven't googled it all and my mum is in her house at a different IP address. She hasn't googled it at my house either.

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TheLastSaola · 23/04/2018 11:31

So social media made it easier for you to buy the thing you wanted to buy... so what. Why is that worse than social media showing you an advert for something you don't want to buy.

Free social media is paid for by adverts, if it targets those ads to me specifically, then that's fine by me.

It matters if information is used to affect my life, my job, my family, my health, my politics. Not if I buy sunflower seeds from Wilkos or Amazon.

SirVixofVixHall · 23/04/2018 11:31

My Facebook has ads for a couple of fashion websites that I look at occasionally, and a skincare range. So based on my emails and browsing history rather than my conversation.

ohfortuna · 23/04/2018 11:44

Then again it could be worse, in China the Tech giants are owned by the government, president Xi Jinping now has a job for life and via the Tech companies can access detail profiles of Chinese citizens and sophisticated surveillance system.
What China's Frightening Digital Strategy Portends for America's Future
The government's new "social credit" system attempts to track citizen behavior and reward those who stay in line
· ByWenhong ChenonFebruary 2, 2018
If we were given the capacityto track and feel one another’s emotions, would we behave better?
Netflix’sBlack Mirrorexplores whether such transparency can breed empathy and respect in its “Black Museum” episode, where a museum owner guides a young woman through technology artifacts aimed at perfecting human consciousness. He ultimately reveals how technology merely amplifies bigotry, hatred and greed buried inside the human psyche.
While this may be an axiom of most dystopian dramas, the episode reveals our own muddled relationship with technology, communication and human behavior.
China’s efforts to hack human consciousness through its “social credit system” is a case in point. For the past few years, the Chinese government has been developing a system of social credits to reward citizens for virtuous behavior. The idea is that if citizens behave unethically or dishonestly in their day-to-day lives, they will lose access to everything from government benefits to public transportation. In the government’s eyes, direct consequences lend themselves to a more transparent society
This system is informed by Chinese President Xi Jinping’swarningabout declining trust in the state, which could lead the country into aTacitus Trap, likely named for the Roman historian who posited that once people lose trust in the state, they will always interpret its actions or messages as untrue and evil.
Xi had plenty of cause for concern.Massive socioeconomic transformation since the late 1970s, including growing inequality, corruption and compromised product and food safety, have led to distrust across all sectors and social classes in China. In 2015, the Pew Global Attitudes Surveyshowedthat 84 percent of Chinese respondents saw corrupt officials as a big problem.
In November 2016, the Shanghaimunicipal governmentintroduced its first test of the social credit system with theHonest Shanghaiapp. The app drew upon up to 3,000 sources of personal information, collected from about 100 government entities, to calculate an individual’s public credit score in three categories: very good, good or bad.
A “very good” score could get the user fast-tracked for a loan or access to perks such as discountedplane or train tickets. But a bad score meant that one would be unlikely to qualify for a loan.Worse yet, a poor score could lead to blacklisting, meaning a loss of access to public transport, job opportunities and other services.
Dozens of similar programs are being developed countrywide: Once China completes its national social credit system in 2020, citizens will live in a reality where “the cloud is computing everything people do,”as Premier Li Keqiang hasnoted. The Chinese government has pitched the big-data–driven social credit system as a way to do everything from expose corrupt officials, identify business frauds, promote public safety and health, and manage traffic.
While there has been no official measure of new opportunities the system affords citizens, metrics are available on whom this new level of surveillance has shut out. China’s Chief JusticeZhou Qiangreported 8.42 million instances where“discredited” people were blockedfrom buying airline tickets. Individuals with “bad” social credit scores were also banned from buying train tickets 3.27 million times.
The social credit system not only overreaches, it may be ineffective: Rampant data manipulation and a lack of personal data protection make true transparency almost impossible. China’s stark digital divide keeps45 percent of the populationunder the radarin spite of the country being the largest market of internet and mobile users.Tight political control and pervasive surveillance, as well as corporate data breach and misuse, may deter citizens from sharing data or spur them to game the system.
Interestingly, China is not the only country with a trust deficit it hopes big data can help resolve. A 2017 Media Matters survey found only 24 percent of Americans trust media to be “moral” and accurate. A Pewsurveyfound only 18 percent of Americans trust the government to do what’s right “most of the time.”
The FCC’s successful revoking ofnet neutrality rulesdesigned to ensure customers know what they’re buying and startups engage on an even playing field is the latest example the erosion of trust. FCC Chairman Ajit Pai argued the government established the rules needlessly when “there was no evidence of the dysfunction that regulatory proponents feared.” He implied net neutrality rules were based largely on paranoia and fear that“the internet would devolve into adigital dystopiaof fast lanes and slow lanes.”
If Pai sees urgency in resource consolidation and mass collection of data, the people of China and the United States, who have long lost trust in their government and media, certainly do.
Moreover, if media access and providers continue to consolidate, the U.S. corporate sector will suffer a Tacitus Trap akin to China’s. People will deepen their distrust in information they access daily.
In "Nosedive,” another landmarkBlack Mirrorepisode, Lacie, a woman living in an alternative reality where people use smartphones to rate and be rated, smiles hard to boost her rating to access services and opportunities, with ominous results. Show creator Charlie Brookerfamously said: “I promise you, we didn’t sell the idea to the Chinese government!” When it comes to data accumulation and media consolidation, Brooker might want to advise the U.S. not to take its lead from China.

PinkyBlunder · 23/04/2018 12:03

It does listen. I know someone that works for one of the companies that does the Alexa/Google Dot/Siri devices. They have a whole team of people that listen to what’s been recorded, picking out key phrases and words that they can then use to tailor marketing for those people. They also use the phrases to tailor their search results when using those devices. I’m assuming it’s the same for Facebook or very very similar.

It’s scary stuff and it isn’t made explicit that this actually happens. It’s not a secret but it’s not public knowledge either. I had no idea until she told me all about it and how it works.

Needless to say, I now make sure my microphone is turned off for all apps

treeofhearts · 23/04/2018 12:03

Phones and pretty much all tech with the capability listens to you.

PinkyBlunder · 23/04/2018 12:03

I have plenty to hide btw Grin

Shitshitshitty · 23/04/2018 12:07

I went to The Entertainer on Friday and was looking for presents for D'S. I saw these water balloons that you attach the hose and it fills like 100 at a time.

I bought them and told a few people over the telephone what is got him (including other things)

Next day my FB suggested post was Bunch O Balloons. The same water balloons of bought the previous day. If never even seen them before. I was shooketh.

SoftCentreHardShell · 23/04/2018 12:43

To the people saying "it doesn't listen/coincidence" do you live in the 19th century?

Step 1: Most people own devices (whether smartphone, Alexa or computers) that have the power to listen - have a microphone.

Step 2: Plenty of applications and devices use the microphone in way that allows it to collect and "understand" audio data it hears including Siri. Alexa and so on as an example but there are lots of others.

Step 3: Plenty of applications and devices actively require you to disable the microphone if you don't want it to 'listen' to you. An app that has a default access to the microphone is a possibility.

Step 4: Lots of apps and websites share data with others either without telling you or by setting sharing as a default that you have to opt out of. This is the core of the recent Facebook scandal.

Step 5: The biggest use of shared data is for targetted advertising. There is money it in. It's not for fun.

How hard is it to understand that if you have any kind of app or device that listens to you switched on and has access to a microphone on your device , it is perfectly possible that you will get targetted advertising?

If you have no microphones turned on but you are interacting with someone who does so in a way that means you are algorithmically linked it may still happen if you have not switched off targeted advertising preferences.

Plenty of applications and devices actively require you to disable the microphone if you don't want.

Alphonso is the most well known of these although it claims to only monitor tv signals rather than human voices but is used in gaming software (beware children!)

9to5mac.com/2018/01/03/ios-monitoring-software-shazam-alphonso/

If you seriously think that there isn't more of this going on at a level that involves voices, this is the world is flat stuff.

Think about how much of what you use is linked up - smart phones, websites, Amazon, Alexa, Instagram, FB, Twitter and so on.

haverhill · 23/04/2018 12:44

I have the same thing on Pinterest. I will mention a specific thing and a relevant pin will be on my feed next time I log on.

NorbertTheDragon · 23/04/2018 17:50

My experiment hasn't worked. I told myself I needed printer ink. I even phoned my bemused son and told him I needed printer ink. I googled the printer ink I wanted. Nothing has appeared on Facebook. No adverts for printer ink, or printers.

Though I did phone to rearrange my eye test this morning and an advert for specsavers has appeared. I'm pretty sure I've seen it before though.

Exhaustedpidgeon · 23/04/2018 21:17

Last week I was talking to a friend in a pub about a prescription drug and asked if she knew the side effects of it. I picked up my phone started to write in safari “side effects of” and safari suggested this drug name. I’d never googled it before and my phone was only a day old. Just checked my privacy settings and the microphone is not turned on for anything.

Stripybeachbag · 23/04/2018 21:19

ohfortuna That is scary about the Chinese.

ohfortuna · 23/04/2018 21:57

I know 🤤

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