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To think FB is bugging my phone?!

113 replies

WaitingForSunday17 · 21/04/2018 19:34

I spoke with my mum on the phone about something extremely specific. An extremely specific item that you wouldn't normally need.
Ten minutes later it's popped up in my FB ads. How? How is this possible. The specific product and shop my mum mentioned on the phone. It cannot be coincidence.
I'm freaked out. I haven't googled it all and my mum is in her house at a different IP address. She hasn't googled it at my house either.

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Voice0fReason · 22/04/2018 22:48

On your Facebook page, go to Settings, Ads

On the Facebook mobile app, go to Settings, Ad Preferences

You can see the information that is used to give you adverts. Change anything you are not happy with.

SirVixofVixHall · 22/04/2018 22:53

I’m now sitting in front of my iPad saying “bamboo socks “ loudly... *waits patiently for sock ads..

Sophisticatedsarcasm · 22/04/2018 22:55

Test it, talk about killing someone or something bad and see what happens 😂 I have no issues with people listening to me I have nothing remotely interesting going on in my life so....

GladAllOver · 23/04/2018 09:40

Nothing will happen to you because the government is far behind the big data companies.
But the 'I've nothing to hide' philosophy is dangerous. Once they know all about you it will affect what happens when you apply for insurance, or a loan, or a job. They will know what sort of risk you represent, who your friends are, where you go. You will no longer have any privacy.

Jaylabelle · 23/04/2018 10:02

It doesn't listen. That's a myth - your mother googled it and it's showing it to her friends.

UpstartCrow · 23/04/2018 10:32

It can be adware attached to your microphone, so its not a myth.

WaitingForSunday17 · 23/04/2018 10:35

My mother doesn't have any friends!!! She's not on FB so that isn't possible!

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PerfectlySymmetricalButtocks · 23/04/2018 10:35

No sock ads here SirVix - or is just iPads/iPhones?

ThisIsTheFirstStep · 23/04/2018 10:45

voice you can easily do a reverse image search, so of course AI can do it too.

I can’t believe people still think fb isn’t watching us or doesn’t have the technology. Of course it does.

My husband works in Marketing and while he doesn’t have any training in this kind of thing, he has been in meetings with tech companies where they’ve discussed it. It is absolutely happening.

Google the ‘internet of things’. This stuff is getting more and more scary. Personally I hate it and I am turnig away from technology more and more.

ohfortuna · 23/04/2018 10:47

Facebook is in the business of surveillance it gathers as much information as it can about it's users and then sells access to them to advertisers
In also construct shadow profiles for people who don't yet have accounts

SirVixofVixHall · 23/04/2018 10:48

I am on iPad. Bamboo socks still haven’t appeared ... !

ThisIsTheFirstStep · 23/04/2018 10:50

sirvix not sure if you’re being serious but obviously if your sock company haven’t paid for advertising, it’s not going to randomly pop up.

FB aren’t running a charity.

PerfectlySymmetricalButtocks · 23/04/2018 10:52

No socks here either SirVix 😭

SirVixofVixHall · 23/04/2018 10:53

I was just going by the loft ladders earlier. I’ll have to think of something for a company large enough to pay for ads...

ILikeMyChickenFried · 23/04/2018 10:57

Last week I called my sister to tell her I seemed to have her Wedgwood pot that she had inherited from my gran. The next day Facebook was full of Wedgwood ads. Its creepy.

ohfortuna · 23/04/2018 10:59

You people do realise don't you that Zuckerberg himself has just been grilled by several hours by new US congress because of improper use of data and surveillance ...the way it uses information on people etc

Elpatso80 · 23/04/2018 11:00

I recently went out for lunch with a friend who has no children. During that time I told her I was thinking of getting my son a Go Henry payment card for his next birthday. She had never herd of a 'Go Henry'. Later on that day she sent me a screenshot of her Facebook feed on her phone - with a 'Go Henry' advert on it!! Not having children she is totally not in the demographic for this advert and she has never searched for it before. Coincidence?

isthismylifenow · 23/04/2018 11:00

This has happened to me on 4 different occasions recently. I am starting to get a bit freaked out.

One was when I was discussing which trainers we like best, next day New Balance ad pops up, and this was the brand I said.

I got a bites on my leg on morning. The dc were horsing around telling me to fumigate and spray my room, next day get a video for how to get rid of bed bugs.

There was one for a supplement and another random discussion took place as ds got goosebumps when he heard a song. So,,,, of course I get an article explaining why we get goosebumps.

Its far too many to be co-incidence.

These all within last few weeks.

caperberries · 23/04/2018 11:03

It isn't just Facebook, it's all of them: Google, Apple, Amazon... spying on you 24/7 and harvesting your data.

Most of the time because we've agreed to let them do so in those T&Cs we didn't bother to read

papayasareyum · 23/04/2018 11:04

I can’t believe, especially after recent events which shows how Facebook misused data, that people are naive enough to believe that Facebook isn’t listening to us. It’s not a social media platform, it’s a massive advertising board. They want your data, your input, so they can share it. That’s how they make money. It should be renamed Adbook not Facebook!

NorbertTheDragon · 23/04/2018 11:06

So currently on Facebook I have adverts for Shopkins (never really thought about them before), Expedia (I'd love a holiday!) and an article about healthy eating for kids.
So far so random.

Now I'm going to start talking (to myself) about something random and see if they change.

ohfortuna · 23/04/2018 11:08

techcrunch.com/2018/04/20/just-say-no/
the company has crafted a manipulative consent flow that tries to sell people on giving it their data; including filling in its own facial recognition blanks by convincing Europeans to agree to it grabbing and using their biometric data after all.

Users who choose not to switch on facial recognition still have to click through a ‘continue’ screen before they get to the off switch. On this screen Facebook attempts to convince them to turn it on — using manipulative examples of how the tech can “protect” them.

ohfortuna · 23/04/2018 11:10

Facebook users are being socially engineered, with selective examples and friction, into agreeing with things that align with the company’s data-harvesting business interests — handing over sensitive personal data without understanding the full implications of doing so.

Stripybeachbag · 23/04/2018 11:23

My samsung phone used to listen and record me. I know this because I found some(?) voice recordings of me and dd in some folder or other. I have switched off all microphone and camera permissions where possible, but am still unsure if their tentacles could creep through.

On one hand I don't care as I am skint and shop in kmart so buy bugger all really. On the other hand I know that this information is being used to influence political views and behaviour for big businesses. Even if it is other people being influenced/harvested it will still affect my family and society in general Brexit, but let's not go there

ohfortuna · 23/04/2018 11:25

The noose is tightening for Facebook tougher regulation looks likely, for example treating it as a utility and /or a content publisher rather than just a platform

www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/22/martin-lewis-sues-facebook-over-fake-ads-with-his-name
In a blog post Lewis also argues it should not be difficult for Facebook — “a leader in face and text recognition” — to prevent scammers from misappropriating his image.

“I don’t do adverts. I’ve told Facebook that. Any ad with my picture or name in is without my permission. I’ve asked it not to publish them, or at least to check their legitimacy with me before publishing. This shouldn’t be difficult,” he writes. “Yet it simply continues to repeatedly publish these adverts and then relies on me to report them, once the damage has been done.”

“Enough is enough. I’ve been fighting for over a year to stop Facebook letting scammers use my name and face to rip off vulnerable people – yet it continues. I feel sick each time I hear of another victim being conned because of trust they wrongly thought they were placing in me. One lady had over £100,000 taken from her,” he adds.

Some of the fake ads appear to be related to cryptocurrency scams — linking through to fake news articles promising “revolutionary Bitcoin home-based opportunity”.

So the scammers look to be using the same playbook as the Macedonian teens who, in 2016, concocted fake news stories about US politics to generate a mint in ad clicks — also relying on Facebook’s platform to distribute their fakes and scale the scam.

In January Facebook revised its ads policy to specifically ban cryptocurrency, binary options and initial coin offerings. But as Lewis’ samples show, the scammers are circumventing this prohibition with ease — using Lewis’ image to drive unwitting clicks to a secondary offsite layer of fake news articles that directly push people towards crypto scams.

It would appear that Facebook does nothing to verify the sites to which ads on its platform are directing its users, just as it does not appear to proactive police whether ad creative is legal — at least unless nudity is involved.

Here’s one sample fake ad that Lewis highlights:

And here’s the fake news article it links to — touting a “revolutionary” Bitcoin opportunity…

The lawsuit is a personal action by Lewis who is seeking exemplary damages in the high court. He says he’s not looking to profit himself — saying he would donate any winnings to charities that aim to combat fraud. Rather he says he’s taking the action in the hopes the publicity will spotlight the problem and force Facebook to stamp out fake ads.

In a statement, Mark Lewis of the law firm Seddons, which Lewis has engaged for the action, said: “Facebook is not above the law – it cannot hide outside the UK and think that it is untouchable. Exemplary damages are being sought. This means we will ask the court to ensure they are substantial enough that Facebook can’t simply see paying out damages as just the ‘cost of business’ and carry on regardless. It needs to be shown that the price of causing misery is very high.”

In a response statement to the suit, a Facebook spokesperson told us: “We do not allow adverts which are misleading or false on Facebook and have explained to Martin Lewis that he should report any adverts that infringe his rights and they will be removed. We are in direct contact with his team, offering to help and promptly investigating their requests, and only last week confirmed that several adverts and accounts that violated our Advertising Policies had been taken down.”

Facebook’s ad guidelines do indeed prohibit ads that contain “deceptive, false, or misleading content, including deceptive claims, offers, or business practices” — and, as noted above, they also specifically prohibit cryptocurrency-related ads.

But, as is increasingly evident where big tech platforms are concerned, meaningful enforcement of existing policies is what’s sorely lacking.

The social behemoth claims to have invested significant resources in its ad review program — which includes both automated and manual review of ads. Though it also relies on users reporting problem content, thereby shifting the burden of actively policing content its systems are algorithmically distributing and monetizing (at massive scale) onto individual users (who are, by the by, not being paid for all this content review labor… hmmm… ).

In Lewis’ case the burden is clearly also highly personal, given the fake ads are not just dodgy content but are directly misappropriating his image and name in an attempt to sell a scam.

“On a personal note, as well as the huge amount of time, stress and effort it takes to continually combat these scams, this whole episode has been extremely depressing – to see my reputation besmirched by such a big company, out of an unending greed to keep raking in its ad cash,” he also writes.

The sheer scale of Facebook’s platform — which now has more than 2BN active users globally — contrasts awkwardly with the far smaller number of people the company employs for content moderation tasks.

And unsurprisingly, given that huge discrepancy, Facebook has been facing increasing pressure over various types of problem content in recent years — from Kremlin propaganda to hate speech in Myanmar.

Last year it told US lawmakers it would be increasing the number of staff working on safety and security issues from 10,000 to 20,000 by the end of this year. Which is still a tiny drop in the ocean of content distributed daily on its platform. We’ve asked how many people work in Facebook’s ad review team specifically and will update this post with any response.

Given the sheer scale of content continuously generated by a 2BN+ user-base, combined with a platform structure that typically allows for instant uploads, a truly robust enforcement of Facebook’s own policies is going to require legislative intervention.

And, in the meanwhile, Facebook operating a policy that’s essentially unenforceable risks looking intentional — given how much profit the company continues to generate by being able to claim it’s just a platform, not be ruled like a publisher.