To ride the piss tsunami?

[Curiousaboutchoices]

My 6 year old was a very late toilet trainer, on meds for chronic constipation and still leaves it too late for the loo in the day and often has wet pants. Poor child has to drink shitloads (2l) of water a day for the poo issues so there’s a lot to come out.

Day 3 of no pull ups at night. Pull ups weren’t dry in the morning but she had got up a few times to wee in the night over the last few weeks so we jumped on the easter holidays to give it a try. I was a bedwetter, if it doesn’t work we’ll pop her back in and no matter. We are being only very positive.

Night 1- little dribble that woke her in night at 1230am and rest on loo (in bed at 7 so we were impressed she lasted that long!)

Night 2 - big dribble at same time as previous night and less in loo

Night 3 - piss tsunami that she’d obviously slept in for hours but which eventually woke her up at 4am requiring nuclear safety suits and a full hose down to sort her out.

They’ve been in childcare while I work this week so are way more tired than at school (it’s a sports based club). She’s had a quieter day today at home and I’m off now for a few days so hoping it improves if she’s not too tired.

My question is how long do I keep this going for? I’m happy to ride it for as long as she’s happy, which she is as she feels a big girl and only one wee per night so far. Partner feels she’s not ready and we should put her back in pull ups. Eric (continence charity) says a week or more before you backtrack - longer if poss. Any practical experience or ideas from your own bedwetters? How long did you let them wee wee wee before you decided they weren’t ready or, conversely, they got a dry night after being wet?

Would love some reassurance, I’m terrible with night disturbances and can’t continue the current rate of Cadbury’s cream egg consumption for much longer without becoming a Cadbury’s style supersize me experiment. Please reassure me I’m doing the right thing?

Allchange - do you think it’s because on mat leave you are ‘allowed’ to be knackered? With a 6 (7/8/9+) no one gets it unless they have those kind of night disturbances. And someone up thread said people don’t talk about it - I am really open in real life (subject to being sensitive to my daughter’s privacy) and it’s amazing how many people say ‘oh me too!’. But because we aren’t open, no one shares their stories. Thank god for mumsnet!

What did he do if he didn’t get to the bathroom allchange?! I’m envisaging hallway wees...?!

Update - 430am small dribble with a bit more in loo. She woke and felt it so i feel buoyed in the process a bit. When our guests come I may double up with her on a pull out bed and stick hubby in with my older one so I can deal more easily. Alternative is pull ups and I don’t want her to be chopping and changing - we will do the two weeks if it kills me. Which it might. It really will be like having a newborn again with one of us in with each just to get some kip!

@Curiousaboutchoices definitely keep going for the two weeks.

Please don't be disheartened if it goes well and then all falls apart again. We had 6 nights dry in a row once, then months and months of wetting every single night. She will get there!

It's really important not to get stressed as it could then pass it on to them (not suggesting for one second that you are - but it's such an emotive thing to go through so if you're anything like me, you'll find it stressful!).

Oh thanks for those words of encouragement wine, they really help. My bloody period arrived this morning so it explains why I’ve felt extra tired, great timing!

I am not the most patient person by nature. In fact I’m very impatient. I also love my sleep. So it is astonishing to me that my kids can wake me in the night (if for good reason, not just being annoying) and I feel tranquil - it’s as if all my motherhood patience is saved for that moment when I need it most. I don’t feel anything but love at that point, and a desire to get her clean and dry and back in a cosy bed. My reaction still amazes me now as when I had kids I was pretty sure I might want to murder them when they woke for a night feed .

Last night was funny, I get hormonal night sweats before my period so when she woke me up I too was a bit wet so we washed and changed her and then we changed me too and then put all our stinky stuff together in the washer. Mother daughter stinky bonding

I think you should be back in pull ups until they are consistently dry.

My DD, now 18, was very late to be dry at night. It was a massive trauma for her when her younger sister was dry at night at the same time she was dry in the day, when DD was 4 years older and still in pull ups at night.

We went to the GP when she was 6ish. Got told to come back a couple of years later if it was still a problem as it was very very common to still be wet at night, particularly if late to toilet train in the day.

Returned to the GP a year or 2 later and referred to ERIC and the aneuresis clinic at the local hospital. Their recommendations were...

Keep a record of in vs output. Very difficult except at weekends/school hols obv.

No drinks a couple of hours before bed - again difficult.
No dark drinks.
No fizzy drinks.
No milk.

Telling DD to tell herself that she was in charge of her bladder and would wake if she needed the loo.

Not lifting for a wee.

We also tried the wetness alarms, but they were extremely ineffective. Well, they woke everyone in the street house, except her.

Eventually they prescribed tablets for her, which were useful for one off nights if there was a school residential or a sleepover. But only raised the likelhood of her being dry rather than solving it properly.

For DD, it was basically a matter of waiting for her bladder to mature. It did. But not til she was 13. She got very good at sorting out her own bedding if she'd had an accident and we used bed mats under the sheets for backup. The sight of (TMI) a bed that's been wet when a girl is also having her time of the month is a sight noone wants to see - she was mortified.

We learned that basically, we shouldn't have rushed the getting her out of pull ups at night too soon. Fewer disturbed nights if she was left in them until she was dry at least 5 nights out of 7.

curious I think this is much more common than people say, there is another boy at school who drinks a set amount under school supervision and another who has the same watch as DS.

We have underwear, alarm tagged to that and then a pull up. So there is the feeling of wetness and the alarm but not wee everywhere. Our doctor said this was a good way to go. It helps my sanity if nothing else.

I posted upthread about dd starting depromessin. First night, dd woke at 11 having pooed and wet in her pants, which is the second time in a week she has done it, but only the second time in about 5 years she has pooed overnight. So no idea what that’s all about. Then last night, she was dry over night! No idea if it was fluke or if the medication has worked, but she was so excited when she woke up in a dry bed, it was lovely. Biggest problem with the medication is that dd has never taken a tablet in her life and is struggling with that aspect, but she has managed both nights so I’m sure will learn quickly.

No advice but you have my sympathy as I'm currently toilet training my youngest. I'm buying chocolate in bulk at the moment, really need to stop doing that.

'toilet trained by 2 🙄🙄

Lynmilne - is that a comment about your own child or someone else’s?

Night 5/6 (I’ve lost count, I’m dying here) dry at 11pm, soggy and fast asleep in wee when I went to bed at midnight. I’ve washed her, changed her and popped her back in pull-ups. My baby clearly isn’t ready for this. Couldn’t bear to see her just sleeping in her own wee, oblivious.

We’ll try again at 7. Thank you all so much for your stories, support and understanding. I’ve got lots to investigate before we try again thanks to you guys.

My DD was out of nappies very quickly but started wetting when she started school full time.She was just so tired.We had the double mattress covers(waterproof with flannel uppers),afleece blanket with duvet on top seemed to help avoid the duvet being wet but a spare one for a quick change.She didn't even wake changing,wiping down and being put back to bed.
She only used pull-ups for nights away,brownie camp,sleepovers and managed them discreetly herself.She had friends with similar issues which had sleepovers here.
Agree the repetitive changing and washing is annoying.Dd stopped naturally at about 6.