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To surprised that people are shocked about FB sharing their personal information

86 replies

Doryismyname · 28/03/2018 14:34

Just that really. I thought it was widely known that what you put out there is no longer yours.

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Justanotherlurker · 28/03/2018 16:57

social networks are a function of modern computer technology, they are an integral part of our lives, we ought to be able to use them to our benefit without being milked for data which the owners then turn into vast profits.

And how do you propose you should be able to use them for your benefit and stay free?

Facebook are not worth the money they are because of adverts alone.

I agree OP, the people who I know that are suddenly surprised are the ones when serious issues have arised and I tried to engage them in the past are the ones who's response was I have nothing to hide so nothing to fear.

UterusUterusGhali · 28/03/2018 16:58

YANBU.

If a service is free, you are the product.

GerdaLovesLili · 28/03/2018 17:02

YANBU, and covering the camera and turning off the internal mic. are just good basic security. As for Alexa and the like? Paying to be spied on? Bonkers.

OohMavis · 28/03/2018 17:06

Yanbu. The most surprising thing about all this is just how outraged everyone is, didn't they know?

ohfortuna · 28/03/2018 17:07

And how do you propose you should be able to use them for your benefit and stay free?....Facebook are not worth the money they are because of adverts alone
overwhelmingly the value of FB and other networks comes from the fact that so many people are on them, and those people all create content for free.

It's not like facebook and google have a vast army of workers whose wages need to be paid now is it, the overheads are low because we do all the work for free, we interact with the interfaces and train the AI so that they can build complex and detailed profiles of as they monetize our data.

womanhuman · 28/03/2018 17:08

Is that such a bad thing? Or does it have ramifications?

Well, in politics for example, it means you can advertise yourself as a massive racist to people who share those views, whilst presenting an entirely more reasonable message to those who don’t.

Previous generations of politicians using traditional media have had to find a message that they can use across the board.

daysofpearlyspencer · 28/03/2018 17:10

I always assumed it's how zuckerberg got his money.
I have friends that actually think their emails are private!

BlueSapp · 28/03/2018 17:12

YANBU, people can be easily led, and jump in feet first before considering the consequence.

These platforms where you boost about what you have are ruining children and young adults because they don't have a filter to realise you cant believe everything you see on the internet.

facebook is evil and always has been, I've never and will never use it or allow my children to.

ohfortuna · 28/03/2018 17:17

Is that such a bad thing? Or does it have ramifications
a single body has a detailed and extensive database with hundreds of datapoints for each person who uses it's network, and you have to ask if that's a bad thing?
christ on a bike!

kalapattar · 28/03/2018 17:20

a single body has a detailed and extensive database with hundreds of datapoints for each person who uses it's network, and you have to ask if that's a bad thing

It makes for great advertising potential.

kalapattar · 28/03/2018 17:23

Previous generations of politicians using traditional media have had to find a message that they can use across the board

Or different adverts in different publications? Targeted generally.
Buying data from marketing companies to send out leaflets.

Targeting and segmentation has always been there Segmentation makes it much easier to get your advert to a group.

And yes - it has a lot of ramifications for politics - and maybe political advertising needs looking at on social media - and what they do with that data.

But from an advertising point of view in general, it does make targeting adverts easy and that's why Facebook has grown.

womanhuman · 28/03/2018 17:24

I was looking for an Amazon order recently and realised what Amazon knew about me - everything I’ve bought or browsed and where I’ve lived going back 20 years.

Because I’ve occasionally sent gifts directly to the recipients they’ve essentially got a social network for me too. And because I’ve sometimes had things delivered to work/dh’s work, they have that.

Nothing you do online is anonymous.

Justanotherlurker · 28/03/2018 17:28

overwhelmingly the value of FB and other networks comes from the fact that so many people are on them, and those people all create content for free.

No it isn't, google isn't about people's content, Google is about letting others find "their" content if you want to boil it down to the bare basics, facebook cannot do anything with people reposting memes grabbed from elsewhere on the net its a big data network always was, it's why anyone advertising on the site can target demographics, google just have more integrated ways of gathering big data now.

It's not like facebook and google have a vast army of workers whose wages need to be paid now is it, the overheads are low because we do all the work for free, we interact with the interfaces and train the AI so that they can build complex and detailed profiles of as they monetize our data.

I work for google, I earn a very large salary as do most in my department, I suggest you look up the salaries in Silicon valley.

I think you have shown yourself up as not knowing very much to be honest (in the nicest possible way), just talking about facebook here, but where do you think all their data is stored?

Hardware costs, replication, sys admins all cost a huge amount of money, there is an awful lot of stuff behind the free social network sites that adverts alone cannot cover.

kalapattar · 28/03/2018 17:29

Nothing you do online is anonymous

I am surprised MN haven't cottoned on to this. They could easily see which threads posters comment on and that would build up a profile of each person.

Then get targeted ads - "you want a poster who has Conservative views, lives in the South East, income above £100,000 and more than 2 kids. No problem - we have quite a few of those we can put your ad on"

kalapattar · 28/03/2018 17:31

No it isn't, google isn't about people's content, Google is about letting others find "their" content

I read an interesting discussion about how GDPR would affect Google and Facebook differently - because of Facebook processing personal data where as Google is different.

TalkinPeece · 28/03/2018 17:31

kalapattar
Hence why my name changes every month or so Smile

kalapattar · 28/03/2018 17:37

Hence why my name changes every month or so

But unless you change your login as well and your browsing on MN, that makes no difference.

MN have a wealth of data on people - and the potential for a lot more.

"You want a vegan, yoga loving, open range child philosophy parent who home educates" - sure, we can target your ad at those people. There's a few on MN!! (I might be massively stereotyping there)

TalkinPeece · 28/03/2018 17:40

Except that the user agreement with MN precludes them selling our data

kalapattar · 28/03/2018 17:43

Except that the user agreement with MN precludes them selling our data

They haven't sold your data.
They have your data. Someone wants to advertise with them and they want their ad to appear to a certain demographic.
MN agrees.
MN place the ad on the pages of that demographic. No data has been sold.
It's a bit like a Global radio placing an advert on of its local radio stations with a specific audience.

kalapattar · 28/03/2018 17:44

Of course, MN have said they don't do target ads on its page. Everyone sees the same ads.

But I know I have seen ads on my page that have come from my cookies and are on an MN page.

ohfortuna · 28/03/2018 17:46

Hence why my name changes every month or so
you just need an algorithm which will identify a persons posting style and you could trawl the site and pull up all posts by any user irrespective of name changes or using different accounts.

Also characteristics of the browser and device that you use can easily identify a person

ohfortuna · 28/03/2018 17:48

They haven't sold your data
strictly speaking no, but they monetize it...profit from something provided for free by users of the site

kalapattar · 28/03/2018 17:50

strictly speaking no, but they monetize it...profit from something provided for free by users of the site

If something is free, then we are the product.

Somebody has to pay to keep MN running - and advertising is the way. Or a subscription and no ads.

Justanotherlurker · 28/03/2018 17:51

Of course, MN have said they don't do target ads on its page. Everyone sees the same ads.

They have a google ad at the top of the screen, that itself will be somewhat targeted.

Justanotherlurker · 28/03/2018 17:53

facebook is evil and always has been, I've never and will never use it or allow my children to.

I know people who happily say this and happily use whatsapp (owned by facebook) and Snapchat (who are implementing the same data sharing backend api)