to want to scrap daylight savings?

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Rant: I hate this day every year. And it's partner in October. Whatever the (weak if you ask me) arguments were about initiating daylight savings, I cannot for the life of me understand why we need it still in this 24/7 globalised non-stop world we live in. If you need daylight to work, then work when there's daylight - who cares what the clock says?! OH has tried to defend it citing historical features of employment law etc, but I just don't accept that there weren't alternative measures that would;t mess with your body clock twice a week. His subsequent argument is that now we have it, why go to the expense of changing it.....I would argue that there are a significant number of missed NHS appointments because of people forgetting to change their clocks, and presumably there are missed business hours etc......AIBU in wanting to get rid of daylight savings?!

It is mainly the changing back and forth that causes body clock havoc imo for months afterwards in the case of winter.

If it takes you months to adjust to a one hour time change... there's something wrong. How do you cope with jet lag? Still recovering from a trip to the US you took six years ago?

With my proposal, there would not be abrupt and harsh adjustments twice a year, there would be a tiny adjustment you wouldn't notice, every day.

And seconds (and therefore minutes and hours) would be variable in length. That's going to make for some fun. Could you suggest how you'd make this work for the hundreds of millions of watches and clocks currently in use? Are you suggesting that speed cameras would be slightly recalibrated through the year, as speeds vary with the different seconds?

I think that I find it so bad because I'm a night owl and also becuase I have young kids. If I listen to my body and sleep when it want a I'd run to a 25/26 hour day and therefore my waking hours would only sometimes co incide with everyone else / daylight. A 23 hour cycle is agony. I can only put it that way.

So with kids you have to get up when they do either way but then try to get them to bed at their normal time on Sunday in order to be up on the Monday for school and nursery and then on to work. Either way it seems to be a sleeping hour that is lost and I feel terrible!

To be fair, without small kids I wouldn't find it so horrible.

It takes me a few days to recover, esp now I’m over 50!

I agree OP.

For every evening that's a bit lighter "after work" (not everyone works 9-5) there's a corresponding darker morning to get up in

And for every "yipee the clocks have gone forward" there's a corresponding "oh bloody hell the clocks have gone back, how depressing"

I simply don't get it

Farmers need longer light to do their work. We still have them and they still need it.

In the summer there's a good 16/17 hours of daylight of which the average person maybe works 8 of them. Inevitably, we will all get sunny evenings for some part of the summer even if the clocks don't change.

On Monday sunrise was 6.49am and sunset 7.23pm. With my proposal we would have had sunset at roughly 8.30pm, so significant extra time even at this time of year.

Myname Why would I be recovering from jet lag six years ago?

Jet lag has similarities but is not the same anyway.

Maybe there is indeed something wrong me, or an animal state of being which I experience due to this, but I am not alone.

Many people have winter related depression made worse by the clock change. The fact we can stay up so much later with electric lights/screens in winter and are jumped started into staying up at least an hour later by the October change makes it worse. I would say it takes me two months to get to some even point, and even then not quite.

I also know that it disrupts sleeping routines with children just when everything is settling down to the new school year at October half term.

YANBU, I really can't see the point & I absolutely hate it!

Could you suggest how you'd make this work for the hundreds of millions of watches and clocks currently in use?

They would all be obsolete.

Are you suggesting that speed cameras would be slightly recalibrated through the year, as speeds vary with the different seconds?

Just because we use "British Natural Time" for some purposes doesn't mean we have to use it for all.

And seconds (and therefore minutes and hours) would be variable in length.

No, I think have fixed size seconds, minutes and hours, but in the middle of each night, say 4am every single day, adjust the clocks so that sunrise will be at 8am.

I admit it's a pain with small children. We tried in vain to work up to it with ours by starting half an hour earlier/later for a few days before. And trying to tire them out with extra lumps of fresh air. Patchy success.
I am, as they say, over it.

There seems to be a lot of fussing over very little on this thread. Apart from having to update a few clocks it doesn't cause me any bother.

But not everyone is the same as you housewife!

Farmers need longer light to do their work.

How does changing the clocks affect how much light we have. It's still the same, just that the hours have different labels

Without it, it wouldn't get light here until 9am during the winter, and the sun would rise at fucking 3am during the summer.

But let's just make snotty comments about "suffering because of Scottish farmers", eh?

It's hardly "suffering " is it?
Unless you're some mad flat earther why does the rotation of the earth and our attempts to make it work for us really matter to you, op.
Farmers and livestock have circadian rhythms like the rest of us. Plants, including the ones we eat, need sunlight and need to be managed by people operating in sunlight.
The sun come up slightly later here in Northern England and even later the higher up you go. Should we all have our own time zones and not speak or interact with each other just so you can get up a bit later?

gussyfin Thanks for your comment.

I get up early all year round, what the clock says doesn't affect when I get up - it's either 2 hours ahead of leaving the house for work or 3 if the clocks change. And in the job I do and with small children, I am often awake in the night too. So my circadian rhythms are no doubt shot anyway.

None of my point is about me wishing to have a lie in. The change of the clocks just makes me feel weird for a fortnight or so twice a year. If I didn't look at clocks no doubt it would not be an issue.

Clearly it is not the end of the world. It is an irritant for me, just as other things that I couldn't give two flying fucks about are irritants for others and I was curious to know if others felt the same. My workplace has decided that most people must now work from home, so the number of people to discuss with IRL has shrunk all of a sudden.

Earlier starter here too, op. Yes I felt it. But after a day or so it's gone.

No, I think have fixed size seconds, minutes and hours, but in the middle of each night, say 4am every single day, adjust the clocks so that sunrise will be at 8am.

Jesus christ.

So we'll have an offset between British legal time, UTC, and time of our trading partners, which differs on a daily basis. And which will switch in the middle of the business day for our trading partners in the far east. And which will switch during the night shift every day. To achieve what?

I like it. I like it being lighter later in the evenings at this time of year. How on earth does it take people so long to adjust? It's one hour, not 5!

Hate to break it to you but when it's 4am here, it isn't 4 am in most of the rest of the world.

So do I, BitchQueen, but it was getting lighter anyway.

But do you like it being darker earlier in the evenings in November, when it was already getting darker anyway?

FIresuit's change by stealth seems rather tempting if it were really feasible.

Oh I fucking hate it. It never bothered me before having kids, but it takes around 4 weeks to adjust to it and it's just miserable and exhausting.

TooMany well I'm not as keen on it! But I can live with it, doesn't bother me enough to moan about it. Extra hour of sleep makes up for it.