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Why we should be terrified of self-ID

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NameChange1369 · 26/03/2018 11:05

Yes yes another trans thread - but despite the fact writing about the below is literally triggering for me (so much so I've not just changed username, I've set up a new account) - I am not being U and it's really important people read this.

Do you want to know the problem with self-ID? Let's take the below as an example.

This monster (can't bring myself to type his name) brutally killed a woman a decade ago: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5543081/Drug-addict-killed-Harrow-masters-girl-let-day-release.html

I knew him. Not just in passing. Actually knew him. Spent time with him alone, despite the fact even then he made me nervous and uncomfortable.

After he was locked up I thought that would be the last I heard of him. Not only, it is now being reported, is he regularly being taken out and about for day trips in preparation for parole, he has, allegedly, started wearing women's clothes.

If the law allowing self-ID is passed, he could throw on a dress and legitimately saunter into any designated female space without challenge and that fucking horrifies me. I hope it horrifies you too.

OP posts:
NaughtToThreeSadOnions · 26/03/2018 11:18

Theres already a thread on this person

GreenVoyage · 26/03/2018 11:23

You are right OP.

Self-ID is wrong and should not be happening.

It's a disgrace.

ohreallyohreallyoh · 26/03/2018 11:26

He wouldn’t even need to throw on a dress.

wrenika · 26/03/2018 12:02

And you want to remove the rights of all genderfluid/non-binary people for the sake of a handful of bad eggs. No. You don't get to discriminate like that. I know this is MN where transphobia is ignored, but no.

I also don't quite get why you think this guy is only some threat to women...he's a threat to all. I'd be more concerned about him having day release for everyone's sake!

TooManyPineapples · 26/03/2018 12:12

And you want to remove the rights of all genderfluid/non-binary people for the sake of a handful of bad eggs. No. You don't get to discriminate like that. I know this is MN where transphobia is ignored, but no.

What rights of gender fluid people are being removed exactly? The only rights being affected here are those of biological women -- their rights to privacy and safety, their rights to have spaces free of men. And inevitably it's the most vulnerable people in society who'll bear the brunt of it, same as always.

kubex · 26/03/2018 13:57

And you want to remove the rights of all genderfluid/non-binary people for the sake of a handful of bad eggs. No. You don't get to discriminate like that. I know this is MN where transphobia is ignored, but no

This. 100%. Well said @wrenika !

MorganKitten · 26/03/2018 14:02

And you want to remove the rights of all genderfluid/non-binary people for the sake of a handful of bad eggs. No. You don't get to discriminate like that. I know this is MN where transphobia is ignored, but no

All of this!

lubeybooby · 26/03/2018 14:03

YABU Hysterical nonsense yet again trying to drum up a needless fear response in people. Please can you at least keep your narrow minded right wing posturing in feminism rather than aibu

NotACleverName · 26/03/2018 14:06

I also don't quite get why you think this guy is only some threat to women...he's a threat to all. I'd be more concerned about him having day release for everyone's sake!

What wrenika said.

"Allegedly" wearing women's clothes ≠ transgender. It'd been about fifteen minutes since the last trans thread was posted, though, so I guess it was about time for another one.

McTufty · 26/03/2018 14:07

And you want to remove the rights of all genderfluid/non-binary people for the sake of a handful of bad eggs. No. You don't get to discriminate like that. I know this is MN where transphobia is ignored, but no

I think there should be a balance, so a trans woman being suitable or not to be placed in a women’s prison should be on a case by case basis so that a balance is struck between preserving the dignity of the trans woman and the safety of the female inmates. Clearly this particular person should be nowhere near a female prison.

I don’t agree with ignoring the needs of all trans women because of a few bad eggs but equally self ID does not adequately address the legitimate concerns about women in cases such as these.

Kneedeepinunicorns · 26/03/2018 14:08

What rights are we talking about please?

Self ID is not law. Nothing is being 'removed' from anyone.

If you want self ID and think that women and girls need to suck up your 'few bad eggs' for the greater good that's a reasonable and rational opinion. However I'd point out that what you're essentially saying is that 'a few' women and girls will inevitably be harassed, raped, assaulted and possibly murdered to allow this benefit. Would you like to put a number around how many women and girls should make this sacrifice? What's acceptable collateral damage? Are you and yours willing to pay it?

In Target in the US sexually motivated crime against women and girls has risen three fold in their changing rooms since the introduction of self ID.

SpringNowPlease2018 · 26/03/2018 14:10

OP I didn't see a previous thread so thank you for posting this

it's a double problem - of course he shouldn't be released but he's likely going for the trans thing in order to access to groups he considers even easier to attack.

Flippetydip · 26/03/2018 14:14

It's not transphobia at all, it's common sense surely? If you have a penis you do not get to go in women-only spaces; prisons, toilets, changing rooms, refuges, whatever. Once you've had an operation and no longer have a penis then please, come on in.

TakemedowntoPotatoCity · 26/03/2018 14:17

Oh God not again. I am sick to the back teeth of stupid fucking trans threads.

HollyBayTree · 26/03/2018 14:21

This transphobic nonsense , I must dig out the radio article I was listening to that showed exactly how like the far right rhetoric it has become, and today far right rhetoric uses the same tools and arguments that were used in the lead up to 1939. We’ll be idly standing by and round them up soon.

NaughtToThreeSadOnions · 26/03/2018 14:22

I think a lot of people are potatocity

But you know we could all just hide feminism board if we don't want to read it.

Only oh look this is in AIBU

punchyKate · 26/03/2018 14:28

What does "triggered" actually mean and is literal triggering different to figurative triggering?

McTufty · 26/03/2018 14:31

The title of this thread references self-ID so no one who bothered to open it should be surprised it is about trans issues.

If a thread doesn't interest you, don't open it.

MrsGrahamNorton · 26/03/2018 15:01

He is potentially a risk to anyone in any space. He has schizophrenia and is extremely disturbed and gender confusion is likely to be related to his unstable mental state and not 'going for the trans thing'.

TerranceandPhilip · 26/03/2018 15:07

Why would you need to set up a whole new account just because you've been "literally triggered?"

Grow the fuck up.

AsAProfessionalPenis · 26/03/2018 15:10

Why is it transphobic to organise around biological sex like we always have done
Many trans people recognise and accept they are their bio sex and I'm sure they are healthier for it rather than us all being part of a delusion
Express gender how you choose

UpstartCrow · 26/03/2018 15:14

YANBU. No one is trying to remove rights from non binary people. The only people having our rights removed are us women, bottom of the gender hierarchy as per usual.

MrsGrahamNorton · 26/03/2018 15:20

And lets not forget this 'story' originated in The Sun, which is sucha reliable source.

Bit like when The Daily Star got everyone frothing about Ian Huntley wanting to transition, which was bollocks.

NaughtToThreeSadOnions · 26/03/2018 15:30

What does "triggered" actually mean and is literal triggering different to figurative triggering?

Its teen/internet speak for well they don't actally know.

jellyfrizz · 26/03/2018 15:50

Bit like when The Daily Star got everyone frothing about Ian Huntley wanting to transition, which was bollocks

Isn't the point that Ian Huntley could want to transition? Who are we to question his gender identity if he does? Is gender identity only valid if it is nice, non-criminal people wanting to transition?