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... to feel ashamed of being Globally represented by Boris&May?

63 replies

counterpoint · 22/03/2018 21:10

Just that really.

Like most weary Brits, I've been following the playground antics of these two in their desperate bid to turn everyone against Russia.

Their whiny complaints remind me of a child that needs civilizing and being taught a lesson in 'how to get on' with people.

Am I alone in feeling embarrassed at their representation of us otherwise nose-to-the-grindstone Brits?

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ALittleAubergine · 22/03/2018 22:10

Agree on bojo at least. May is still coming across as just another politician but there is no excuse for Johnson.

PinkbicyclesinBerlin · 22/03/2018 22:10

Don’t worry about OP. There is always Donald Trump to console you.

Dumbledoreswarrier · 22/03/2018 22:13

I agree OP. By comparing Putin to Hitler, Bojo is fanning the jingoistic flames just like....er....Hitler.

BarbarianMum · 22/03/2018 22:13

Boris makes me wince. That said, the use of a Russian made nerve agent on an enemy of the Russian state in a UK town centre does call for a teeny bit of explanation from Mr Putin. Novichock isn't something you can just pick up at B&Q.

kimanda · 22/03/2018 22:15

Where is this evidence? CCTV footage, fingerprints, witnesses, suspects, testimony.....where is it? I'd love to know because RN May and Boris are looking like idiots.

Are you seriously suggesting it WASN'T the Russians @yoloswaggins

Of course it was them. If it WASN'T them, then why are they taking the piss out of us, and not condemning what happened, and saying 'this is awful, we will help you find out who it is.'

It was the Russians, and Pukin knows it was them. Johnson and May know it too. And no, they don't look like idiots. The Russians are looking like twats though, especially as NOBODY is on their side. Not even the EU! Even the EU are on our side FFS!

As I said, of COURSE it was them.

FieldsOfWheat · 22/03/2018 22:16

The agent was originally invented in Russia but the recipe has been out there since the 90s - anyone with a lab could have synthesized it. The compound being originally from Russia so far seems to be the only "evidence".

YoloSwaggins · 22/03/2018 22:18

then why are they taking the piss out of us, and not condemning what happened, and saying 'this is awful, we will help you find out who it is.'

Because we have gone out and full-on accused them with basically 0 evidence, refusing to even go by the OPCW protocol? And telling them to "shut up and go away"? Why on earth would any nation co-operate with us under those circumstances? Loads of people who don't believe the first thing the Mail says are sceptical about it.

kimanda · 22/03/2018 22:21

It was them.

YoloSwaggins · 22/03/2018 22:24

But you have no clue really, and neither do any of us. All we know is what the newspapers say, which a) quite often turns out to be bollocks e.g. WMDs, and b) still doesn't include any actual tangible evidence of who, how, when, where.

Unfinishedkitchen · 22/03/2018 22:34

I’m not an expert but I believe Russia was behind it and that the Russian state is very dangerous and have and will continue to try and undermine western democracy by dividing and conquering us.

However, I still think the Nazi comparison was undiplomatic and may ultimately backfire. If you were Angela Merkel would you want to closely ally yourself with someone who keeps bringing up WW2?

Surely there must be more intelligent people to represent us? I’m sick of people telling me Boris is a loveable rogue or only pretends to be dumb but he’s super smart really because he can recite some famous poems and Latin. To this day I have yet to see anything other than a man with a massive ego, who’s seriously ambitious with a huge sense of entitlement and who benefitted from expensive schooling. He’s never demonstrated anything above average intelligence. In fact he displays signs of the Dunning-Kruger effect. He’s been seriously over promoted.

5plusMeAndHim · 22/03/2018 22:38

I don't know I think there more toall this than meets the eye .Did Putin order the killing or was someone trying to frame him.Those 2 people could have easily been poisoned in their own home without affecting anyone else, but no- Poisoned in the middle of a busy restaurant with potentially dozens being affected over months and years to come (according to the inventor) causing maximum public outrage against Putin
Another suspicious thing was the inordinate amount of news coverage.On and on even when there was nothing new to say.Then the minute the Russian election was over-nothing.Just disappeared suddenly from the news agenda

Walkingdeadfangirl · 22/03/2018 22:40

Yea its really sad having leaders that stand up to a Russian attack using chemicals weapons on people in the UK.

I wish we had Corbyn leading us who could surrender to his friend Putin and give up our weapons, that would be so much better.

verite · 22/03/2018 22:41

I have never voted Tory in my life and cannot bear Theresa May. But I’m with her all the way on her statements and actions in respect of Russia (first time ever). Boris’ comparisons to Hitler were stupid. But this is what happens when you have appoint a lightweight foreign secretary just because he’s been funny on hignfy.

IllustriouslyIllogical · 22/03/2018 22:42

Are you British? I don’t know anyone who’s British who refers to the British as Brits!

Really? You've never spoken to anyone who has served/is serving in HM Forces then.

IllustriouslyIllogical · 22/03/2018 22:43

I'm glad to see they're having a robust debate rather than rushing over to get their bellies rubbed like Comrade Corbyn would be doing.....

ShotsFired · 22/03/2018 22:58

Since when did the security services report to Mumsnetters?

The sheer volume of shit we don't know about on a daily basis and you're expecting them to take out a full page ad in Metro with proof of their proof just to disprove your conspiracy theory?

Mayday01 · 22/03/2018 23:07

I do wince when I see Boris coming on the TV and think, what the fuck will he come out with next.
But then imagine that dithering idiot Corbyn dealing with the Russians.. can you imagine it

He comes across as if he could barely make up his mind on what biscuit he wants.

ALittleAubergine · 22/03/2018 23:18

I'd rather have corbyn than may.

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counterpoint · 23/03/2018 00:11

I know she's a career politician, but I cannot understand why May would appoint an infamous liar like (£350 Million) Boris and expect us to believe him when he says there is evidence against Russia but that no one else is allowed to see it.

I'm sure Boris must know that he can fool some of the people all of the time and he can fool all of the people some of the time but ..... surely .... he can't believe he can fool all of the people all of the time?

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YoloSwaggins · 23/03/2018 00:19

I'd say the "evidence" is about as legit as when Tony Blair waved washing powder at the UN saying it was evidence of WMD's...

MinnieMousse · 23/03/2018 00:35

I know she's a career politician, but I cannot understand why May would appoint an infamous liar like (£350 Million) Boris

Done with a gun to her head I should imagine. It's all down to internal party politics and what she fears he might do if he's not restrained in the cabinet. Too bad if he's hopeless at the job and damaging for the country, so long as he isn't causing trouble on the backbenches.

scaryteacher · 23/03/2018 00:39

I expect the intelligence services and the chemical weapon bods at Porton Down are doing their thing. How high are the security clearances of Counterpoint and Yolo that they expect information to be shared with them?

The target seems very specific in this case, and one would hardly release a chemical weapon in Salisbury for maximum effect. I don't think that the Russians have admitted to killing Litvenenko yet, but the polonium trail lead all the way back to Moscow iirc.

caroldecker · 23/03/2018 00:40

Yolo Believe what you want to believe, but it helped Putin's election (everyone is against Russia, only I can defend it) and is typical of his behaviour.
Just because no-one has told you doesn't mean it is wrong

(Unless Putin pays your wages, it which case you know you're lying)

BarbarianMum · 23/03/2018 00:46

No they really couldn't. And even if they could, the choice of target is somewhat telling.

Apollo440 · 23/03/2018 00:48

cen.acs.org/articles/96/i12/Nerve-agent-attack-on-spy-used-Novichok-poison.html

Quotes from the article;

“The U.S.S.R. is the only country to have developed and produced these [Novichok] agents,” says Jean Pascal Zanders, an independent consultant who was previously a senior research fellow at the European Union Institute for Security Studies.

“Either this was a direct act by the Russian State against our country, or the Russian government lost control of this potentially catastrophically damaging nerve agent and allowed it to get into the hands of others.” Either of those scenarios would mean that Russia is in breach of the CWC (Chemicals Weapons Convention).

So it's a compound that was made by the USSR and no one else.
It's not as if they haven't got previous form on this sort of thing either.
Also did you see Russian state television gloating about the incident and threatening other defectors?

(35seconds in)

This was before we officially accused them. Hardly seem contrite or shocked that their nerve agent was used. Considering that he came to the UK as part of a spy exchange, killing him on our soil is a double breach of protocol.

Russia is a gangster state and looks like we are in for a rerun of the Cold War.

So I think we have every right to whine about this and more. I will concede that Boris was wrong to compare Putin to Hitler. Stalin would have done (but Putin is rehabilitating Uncle Joe, so he'd probably regard it as a complement).