10k pay rise

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Started a new job 3 months ago. I love the job. Briefly. It isn't what was described as it was a start up and the director acknowledges this. It was described as admin with office manager title. In reality it's probably business manager or possibly operations manager. I've discovered the previous company paid their manager over 30k more. How would you go about asking for a minimum of 10k. AIBU to ask for that. Personally I want to ask for more.

Get your CV out there and start looking elsewhere. When you think you might have a good offer, ask your employer.

That's great advise. Thank you.

If it's a start up then while you may well be doing 'operations manager' tasks, you may not be doing the volume of work equating to the job that paid 30k more. When you say 'previous company' what do you mean? Did it have larger turnover / profit? If it's a start up, is it profitable? They may not be able to afford to pay more at this stage. Perhaps you could negotiate shares, profit sharing, ramping up salary as business grows...

Put a case together. Show comparables for the role which you can get from job sites. Show you know what was paid previously. Ask for the full amount. You probably won't get it but you probably won't get what ever you ask for. Half of 30k is much nicer than half of 10k. Believe in yourself, go in knowing that you're worth it.

What do you mean “the previous company”?

If your skills are such that you can do a more senior role than you were recruitef for, and you think your employer can afford it, seek to justify a raise. Or just get your job title changed and use the role to build your CV to apply for higher paid roles elsewhere.

Don’t get another offer to negotiate! Many employers take that to demonstrate that you will go anywhere for the money and aren’t committed. If you tried that with me I would wish you will and look to replace you. Build a case for your increase, you can use advertised roles to demonstrate the roles worth

I agree with @Sophieelmer - don't threaten them with a new job offer, build a case to show why you're worth more to them now than your current salary and what salary your role attracts elsewhere. Worked a treat for me when I did this.

Yeah need to know what you mean by previous company?

YWNBU but I think you have to be realistic that a start-up is unlikely to have an extra 10k in the budget. I'm also confused what you mean by the 'previous company'. A different company isn't relevant.

And check your grammar OP. It's advice, not advise here.

I know that sounds pedantic and snitty but if you're going to ask for a massive pay rise don't leave any room for criticism!

I know that sounds pedantic and snitty but if you're going to ask for a massive pay rise don't leave any room for criticism!

It does sound pedantic and snitty. And I really doubt that's going to the make or break of her payrise.

Yes what do you mean by "the previous company"? How big is the current company, how much of your time is spent doing "not admin"?

You say it's a start up? Ime when you work at the beginning of a company, no one knows exactly what they'll be doing but are flexible and do what's needed to get the company up and running. Once it's better established, roles and salaries are revisited and things get sorted out. That's also the time when the imoatient greedy bastards who're demanding vast sums too early are got rid of.

Flaky if you consider yourself business manager material you need to be able to spell and write correctly. I would not employ people for this role who are unable to do so. How can you be taken seriously as a business manager if you can't write basic English?

Thank you all. Yes I agree. Terrible grammar but as I'm not submitting this OP to my director I didn't check it thoroughly. So to explain. The company is a sister company of a massive organisation. Huge profits. When I say start up I mean the company is well established and another company had been running it for a number of years. It was recently taken back by the sister company and handed to another company to run. So although it's established as far as contacts etc go it's a start up but the income remains the same. There is definitely the budget for the larger pay rise so the one I'm asking for isn't a financial issue. It's more how I go about addressing it. Please no more bashing. I'm typing on my phone and in a hurry.

I find it odd. Why did you apply to be an admin assistant if you think you're capable of being operations manager?

That aside, I'd research and present the case for why he should pay you more. Probably wouldn't try to blackmail with another job (you could line one up but not mention it).

Honestly I wouldn't ask for what the previous person was on. Working on the assumption they'd been there a while in all liklehood hitting a ceiling in terms of pay within that company is one of the reasons for moving on. Then you have to consider their experience (internally and externally), length of service, talent etc.

I wouldn't expect a boss to be receptive to a £10k pay rise request from a new starter who was yet to provide and kind of consistent evidence of their worth at all. Perhaps if it had been part of the original negotiation before starting the job...

I think three months is a reasonable point to assess your performance and ask for a pay rise and goals to negotiate your next one on (again presuming another review would follow at the one year point) but in all I think it's bad advice to go bowling in asking for £10k in what they clearly think is an administrative role.

Like it or not administration is seen as easily replaceable and your worth requires proving.

Please MN. Can you remove this post. It could be outing. Many thanks to you all for your help.

Oh right, not what I thought, apologies.

Yes, make a good case, do the research and include all the things you're actually doing which aren't on the job description. I too would advise against using the other job tactic as I know if I were your boss I would just tell you to take that one then (and that did happen to me once, 40 years ago when I was young and green!). Remember, few people are indispensable.

Is there a chance that your boss thinks you're kind of training informally for those roles, rather than actually doing them? Sometimes, they think they're doing you a favour by letting you have the experience, which you'd use to get that job with another company.

You'll be getting tons of experience and getting really hands on in all sorts of thing with a start up - it's a massive opportunity for you. Id wait till at least a year till you've proved yourself before asking for a pay rise.

I know someone who started as an administrator in a start up and is now a finance director for them....so..,

Do not ask for a 10k rise if you've only been there 3 months!

£10k!!!!!!!

Seems a bit odd you were happy with your salary, then.....wasn’t. I suppose if you get your evidence together as to why you’re worth it then they can say yes or no.

Sorry. I'm worried I'll be outed. I applied for an administrative role with manager title and I too thought it was odd. It was explained to me that they themselves didn't know the role or the extent of it. The job description was definitely administrative. I applied as I wanted an easy job. However I love the job and it's very intense and certainly not just administrative. It was given the title of manager as again it was agreed until the job was established no one knew what job skills to advertise for. Confusing I know. It's clear it's more than first anticipated and all agree it is. I wouldn't blackmail as I enjoy the roll and want to stay. I see huge potential here.