To think my manager will fire me tomorrow?!

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I work in a department of a national company with four other people in my role and then a manager. Been there for six months and just passed my probation period.

We all get on really really well and have a WhatsApp group chat to discuss any issues. In January because of a great performance we were guaranteed our bonus to be paid at the end of March - usually we would have to wait another month for final March figures to be calculated but because it was guaranteed then apparently not.

Today (payroll cut off date) we all receive a letter to our home address, no apology for the misinformation advising our bonus would now be paid in April. When we got home we went onto the group chat to question this with our manager as obviously we had all mentally spent this money.

As much as it isnt the managers fault, I said something like that it was all premeditated to send the letter at payroll cut off because of the new financial year in April. And then asked how we can sell jobs to potential candidates if we get treated like this too and its making it very difficult to have belief in the company.

So my Manager kicks off and said theyre sick of the moaning and if any of us doesnt like working there to leave - fair enough. I left it half an hour and sent a personal apology to the manager for what I said to be told we will pick this up tomorrow.

I've now got it in my head I'm going to be fired tomorrow, does anyone know if its a sackable offence?!

I doubt you'll be sacked for this but your massive sense of entitlement will be well and truly marked.

THIS. I am a manager and I take note of people's personality and the colour on top of their performance. I hate entitled cunts.

True colour not the colour. Bloody phone.

How is it being entitled to expect to be paid a sum of money by a national company on the day they stated? Only for them to change their minds and not tell us in person and instead rely on a letter?

I'm struggling to see how the hell that's entitled?

no idea why you think that. I’d say mumsnet is excellent at giving advice in financial and employment matters.

In every single employment issue threads you have absolute fantasists piling in and waxing lyrical about how they'd have the OP hung, drawn and quartered for breathing wrong if they were the manager, and you have others who seemingly work 90 hour weeks for half the minimum wage doing their best Four Yorkshiremen impressions.

Ha! Cross post: (re my "In every single employment issue threads you have absolute fantasists piling in and waxing lyrical about how they'd have the OP hung, drawn and quartered for breathing wrong if they were the manager")

THIS. I am a manager and I take note of people's personality and the colour on top of their performance. I hate entitled cunts.

Why spend money you don’t have?

You really aren't getting this are you OP?

No one is denying it's a ball ache that the payment date changed.

The problem is

• it only changed to the originally expected date.
• you raised these concerns with your manager
• you then started shit stirring on a group chat about it
• the things you said were bang out of order
• you said this was all premeditated
• you 'threatened' your manger by saying you couldn't recommend the company because of this
• you've only been there 6 months

To be honest it’s pretty shitty being promised something in March then being told, with little notice, that it won’t be paid until April. Something similar happened to my husband where he had made the target for his bonus to have the time period for qualification extended which reduced the amount. Seems depressingly par for the course in the world of work nowadays.
I don’t think it’s a sackable offence op and fwiw I think you are entitled to be cross at being messed about but probably, the apology route is the right one.

Hope it’s not too awful tomorrow, but social media with your manager in the group is not a sensible place for moaning/ranting on I’m afraid, it tends to be career limiting. It’s best to treat it like any other professional forum and reserve the moaning to share only with friends and colleagues at the same sort of grade. Social media is an employment handgrenade unless handled with extreme care.

And yes I do agree it’s very unfair.

The originally expected date was March - and has been the date since January
I joined in with everyone elses discussion about the bonus
I didn't threaten my manager - I gave a genuine observation about how its hard to have faith in a company which goes back on promises.

This has absolutely nothing to do with being there six months - our whole team has been and our manager even less. So does that mean she can't have a view because I've been there longer than her?

^Eh?

So you're basically saying my points are perfectly valid and very relevant but you'd defend the OP just because you're in a union?

Explains a lot.^

I didn't say your points were valid, I said they were relevant. OP isn't worrying about being sacked because she's getting a bonus, she's worrying about being sacked because of what she said, therefore what she said is relevant. Her being paid a bonus at all is not.

However, she's entitled to make the three points she makes:

"I said something like that it was all premeditated to send the letter at payroll cut off because of the new financial year in April." I'm an accountant - deferring costs to the next financial year is a real thing - google window dressing.
"And then asked how we can sell jobs to potential candidates if we get treated like this too" - How can she recommend it? they're being fucked about with pay
"and its making it very difficult to have belief in the company." again, as an accountant, it would make me question my belief in the business as a going concern.

Why do you take issue with me being in a union by the way?

Ah, so now

And then asked how we can sell jobs to potential candidates if we get treated like this too and its making it very difficult to have belief in the company.

Has changed to

i gave a genuine observation about how hard it is to have faith in a company that goes back on its promises

Its practically the same thing - your picking holes to suit your quite blatant agenda. We get it, you think I should be hung tomorrow at work because HOW DARE I criticise and say how I feel about a company.

When I spend all day every day selling jobs to potential candidates, it's hard to have enthusiasm when you've been promised one thing and then gone back on it. Wouldn't it make you question the integrity of the company?

I doubt you will be sacked but best prepare for a bollocking! You were out of line getting that worked up over a poxy bonus but you can't change it now best thing tomorrow is to again apologise and say you were frustrated and you took out on her etc and it's not really her fault. Secondly why the f is there a watsapp group for employees? I find that weird call me anti social but when I'm out of work I have no desire to be msging people I work with I'd rather address any stuff the next day. Learn your lesson from this and in future don't watsapp beyond being friendly if you got a problem address it privately with your manager.

Try working for the NHS. bonus??? What's that

Totally different in sales - bonuses are part of your remuneration package - most people can't survive on their basic salary. And I don't suppose the OP has the generous NHS pension and job security of working for the NHS. I work for the NHS myself, so I know the downsides, but it's not fair to criticise the OP when you clearly don't understand how her type of job is paid.

OP: "In January because of a great performance we were guaranteed our bonus to be paid at the end of March - usually we would have to wait another month for final March figures to be calculated but because it was guaranteed then apparently not."

Later post: "The originally expected date was March - and has been the date since January "

Which is it, OP?

Wouldn't it make you question the integrity of the company?

Not on a group chat, no.

That's where you massively fucked up.

You might think you're entitled to say what you want when you want, employers tend not to agree.

Give up OP, every other poster on here thinks she's Karen Brady. Just go in tomorrow, and tell your manager you realise it wasn't the appropriate forum to air your views, and smooth things over while you look for a more reliable employer.

The two are the same Kasimir. Normally the bonus would be paid in April, after the March figures had been finalised but, because performance had been so good, they were promised the bonus in March instead.

Go get another job! These employers do not deserve you!

Jesus Christ, I hope they don't think they're Karen Brady given her record at West Ham!

@KasimirPushkino Where's the inconsistency? The original expected date, since the bonus was confirmed in January, was March. But it seems to have been April in previous years.

You'll have to try a bit harder than that to belittle the OP.

It sounds to me as though she is changing what she said - originally that it is paid each year in April, but later that it's always been paid in March.

Definitely think you've made an unwise fuss over not very much OP, but I doubt that will concern you much as you don't seem to be open to other opinions than your own

I am with Op, they told her one thing and then went back on it. I am due a bonus at the end of April, I am relying on that money and would be mighty cross if they say ohh sorry you are getting it in May.
I think the OP's manager is walking a bit of dangerous path by participating in a whatsap group where obviously people's guards are down.
The OP has said sorry, in my opinion your were expressing a view, out of work time and not in public like on Facebook, I would be surprised if they could sack you