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To have done a nutty over GCSE options

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chorltonwheelies · 13/03/2018 23:44

This is going to sound terrible, but here goes. Probably outing and long so as not to drip feed.

DD at an independent school. One of the reasons we chose it & she liked it, above other schools was that it offered lots of language options. Her primary school had 4 languages on the curriculum (it got swallowed up by a big chain when she was in Reception who introduced them) and fortunately she had excelled in them all, despite my thinking it was too heavy. She's got a natural aptitude for language.

School said that it offered French and Latin in Year 7, then they could chose to pick up an additional language of Spanish or German in Year 8. Cool beans thinks DD, having already studied French, Latin & Spanish.

Midway through Year 7, school informs us that they are changing policy and for Year 8, they all have to keep on with the Latin, but choose between either keeping on French or dropping it for German or Spanish.

DD disappointed, but chose to keep on with French. School says that they will have the option to pick up Spanish or German in Year 9.

This time last year, school then informs us that they are effecting a change and that pupils will need to pick their options for Year 9, before then choosing their options for GCSE.

As part of this process they get taster lessons in Spanish and German. DD decides that she really wants to try German, much to my surprise, I thought she'd resume Spanish as she'd enjoyed it before, but hey ho, her choice.

She was a bit disappointed at having to drop some subjects she really enjoyed, (drama, ICT, art) but realised that you can't do everything. I let her make her own choices.

They've then had to choose their GCSE options and DD really wanted to do French, German and Latin, amongst other options. Spoke to all the teachers at Parent's Evening a few weeks back and they were all delighted she was plumping for their subjects, because she is so naturally good at languages and has really hit the ground running with her German. No indication that she couldn't do both. They don't have option blocks.

Anyway, she comes home today, angry and upset because deputy head has informed her and other pupils, that due to low pupil uptake, they can't do either French & German, or French and Spanish.

They can only do 1 core language. Reason given is that there will only be 4 people in her German class and that's not conducive to learning, however she can swap French for German which will put her in the core German class. Currently there's only 2 people in the core German. She doesn't want to swap, but also doesn't understand why they won't run it. I'm not sure I do either.

Apparently the German and Spanish teachers had no idea about this, and only found out from their students today, about not being able to do a 2nd language. They then went back to Head of Department who didn't know either.

It all sounds like a disorganised cock-up. I've written a sharp letter to the Head of Year and cced in the deputy, pointing out that we feel disappointed and misled and that actually the pages on their website are misleading because they state that students do 2 modern languages from early on, and it clearly lays out that students can choose 2 modern languages for GCSE.

I understand that it's sometimes not viable for schools to run small classes etc, but another part of me thinks feck it, why are we paying school fees? If it's a change of policy also think it's a bit shit to spring it on her without telling parents first. Apparently deputy tried to ring me a few times today, but she tried my landline instead of my mobile.

I'm not sure I understand it and I'm really peeved on behalf of my daughter who feels she has been lied to and wouldn't have dropped other subjects, to start German if she'd known that she wouldn't be able to continue it.

I know that it's not going to be career ending or anything for her, but she'd really set her heart on languages.

Written a pissy letter. I've probably been completely unreasonable haven't I?

OP posts:
Evelynismycatsformerspyname · 15/03/2018 15:37

It's RE thats the problem, not the languages. Swap RE for history and it would look good, but that's another quirk of the school isn't it?

kaitlinktm · 15/03/2018 17:22

Yes - am I right in thinking she has to do RE? It doesn't count towards Progress 8 does it? (I know this doesn't matter for independent schools.) I would prefer History or Geography instead of it.

cantkeepawayforever · 15/03/2018 17:29

Kaitlin,

It is the EBacc that RE doesn't count for - only History and geography are in the 'humanities' pot for that.

DC's school has a very good RE department, so their EBacc percentage is affected by children who choose it in preference to the 'EBacc humanities'. Universities etc do regard it as a perfectly decent qualification, and IME it is slightly easier (at least in its old version, pre 9-1) and quite interesting on the philosophy / ethics side, so a perfectly decent option.

HeidioftheAlps · 15/03/2018 17:42

Dd has to do RE GCSE at her non faith comp as they say they have to study it anyway, so may as well get a gcse out of it. I don't mind as dd finds it interesting and does well at it

chorltonwheelies · 15/03/2018 17:55

I wondered that too re history, which was her reserve, but you can pick up history at any age and start reading provided you are interested in it.

For her the triple science and the languages were non-negotiable. She's lucky to be academically able, all the teachers were hoping that she would continue with their subjects.

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chorltonwheelies · 15/03/2018 17:57

And she does instrumental and singing lessons. So there is that balance. Otherwise I'd agree. It doesn't seem that balanced, but then as a PP said, if they find languages easy, then it's not such a heavy timetable as it might otherwise seem.

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AngryGinger · 15/03/2018 18:06

Could she do her other languages as a private/external candidate?

Allthebestnamesareused · 15/03/2018 18:27

RE is an essay based GCSE and counts as a humanity for many unis. As she thinks she may be going down the medical route her choices are fine. Well done for not backing down.

Tralalee · 15/03/2018 19:00

Yes obviously if that's where her strengths lie. Seems a shame to specialise so early.

kaitlinktm · 15/03/2018 22:31

Oh right I see Cant - have to admit I have been out of secondary for a few years so am out of touch!

manicinsomniac · 16/03/2018 08:16

Really glad it's worked out for you.

That's certainly a formidable looking list with no 'light relief' but it sounds like languages might be that light relief for your daughter and are what she loves so I'm sure it's the right list for her.

Well done for standing up for what you were promised and what you pay the fees for.

GeorgeTheHippo · 16/03/2018 17:24

RE is a good solid essay subject.

Progress 8 and the EBacc are:
a) bollocks
b) about the school and not the individual pupil
c) state sector only

EmmaGrundyForPM · 16/03/2018 17:40

I'm glad they resented. In your position I would have also been furious.

My dc went to the local comprehensive. Everyone there did 2 MFL and Latin was also offered as an option at GCSE. Neither of my dc did 2 languages at GCSE but plenty of their friends did.

cantkeepawayforever · 16/03/2018 17:41

George,

To be fair, the EVBacc is, I agree, bollocks - much better than bright students being pushed into 'easy GCSE equivalents in unsuitable subjects to make the headline results look good, which did happen beforehand, but certainly not brilliant.

Progress 8, at a marco scale (ie not when applied to small groups of pupils, but at an overall school level) is not in the same category of bollocks. It is an attempt - clumsy and imperfect, but still an attempt - to look below 'headline results' to ask 'what does the school actually do for its pupils, and how much of its success is due to intake?'

It was better in last year's incarnation - equal steps up in points for every step up the grades, rather than skewed to reward steps up to A* at 3x the level of steps between lower grades - and will return to being a buit better once all exams are numerical.

However i would still say it is a better measure of what a school DOES, at an overall level, than headline grades.

Oblomov18 · 16/03/2018 17:44

This is very poor. And their reasoning just makes it worse!!

LoveInTokyo · 16/03/2018 17:46

4 people in a German class sounds absolutely ideal, from a learning point of view. It might be understandable if this was a comprehensive school on a tight budget but since it's a private school I’d be asking myself (and the school) some searching questions about whether you are getting good value for money.

Also, it goes without saying that French, German and Spanish are all going to be far more useful to your daughter than Latin.

frogsoup · 16/03/2018 17:59

I'd disagree about picking up history at any age. The analytical and evidence assessing skills you pick up from studying it at GCSE and beyond are not going to come from reading history books in your spare time. I'd swap latin for history in a flash, four languages but no history or geography isn't a balanced set of GCSE options and I'm surprised the school allow that - and I say that as someone who did do three foreign languages at GCSE level, so I'm not dissing languages!

LashingsOfHamAndGingerBeer · 16/03/2018 18:01

Your DD's choices were exactly my GCSEs except instead of RE, I did the Ancient Greek during normal curriculum time (state grammar)!

frogsoup · 16/03/2018 18:01

In fact jncluding the English and Greek that's six language based GCSEs. Even for a talented linguist that's a hell of a specialisation at 15-16.

GeorgeTheHippo · 16/03/2018 18:30

Cantkeep

Yes, I agree with you. I was generalising a bit there 😀

Deadwood58 · 16/03/2018 18:55

I don't think that it really is 'specialising', it's just ruling out history/geography - she could still do any science subject, or English literature or maths (or even R.S., if the fancy took her).

Two girls in my dd's class did three languages at GCSE (both did just one humanity - one geography, the other R.S.)

One of them is now studying languages at Oxford, the other is doing medicine at Nottingham. So they've both done absolutely fine and it hasn't harmed them at all.

Plus, Latin is an amazing basis for studying languages - I definitely wouldn't drop it.

manicinsomniac · 16/03/2018 19:00

The choices are fine. It would be a shame if she didn't have a humanity at all but she has RS - she doesn't need History too if she prefers languages. They're equally valid options.

helpmum2003 · 17/03/2018 07:52

Well done OP. I expect someone saw your thread! Makes my blood boil when you are sacrificing so much and being misled.

chocolateworshipper · 17/03/2018 11:54

Excellent news OP

Couchpotato3 · 18/03/2018 23:28

I took three languages at O level (showing my age) and didn't find it overly taxing. I deliberately chose subjects that I thought I could learn as I went along and wouldn't have to either write essays or do masses of revision at the end. Worked for me..!

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