to ask how you’re preparing for Brexit?

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There is so much uncertainty surrounding what will happen with trade deals and goodness knows what else, that I’m starting to wonder about making some sensible plans.

We have put a stop to some planned works we wanted to do to our house, we have downsized to one car and we grow a small amount of veg. We keep some stocks of food in the house but we have a large family so I never feel like we’d have enough.
We have discussed not taking a holiday this summer and DH is taking every training course possible at work in order to diversify his skills should his industry go tits up.

I’m wondering what decisions you’re making in your homes for what could possibly be a really uncertain time for a few years.

I've got a cellar packed with wine and a wheel of cheese, and a box of 1000 Yorkshire tea bags. If the shit hits the fan, I'm having a wine, cheese and tea party.

You can't just go around handing bits of your country to other countries without the consent of the people living there

But (as remainers are so keen on banging on about). NI voted to stay in the EU. So they have tacitly given their acceptance. We could offer a referendum. The split in NI is 45% Catholic, 48% Protestant. And as the remainers tell us NI wants to remain in the EU there is a huge chance a lot of those Protestants would vote to go to Dublin and stay in the EU. Even just threatening a referendum would see Dublin brick it and come back to the GFA.

Apparently according to the current Irish constitution there would have to be a referendum in NI. So you have a point there. But there is a strong chance it would be won for the Irish side Dublin wouldn’t risk it.

Leaving aside the fact that this is assuming that Dublin would want it

That’s the whole point. They don’t actually want it. So if that possibility is put forward then they’re going to start being a hell of a lot more reasonable.

It's daft to engage with rants & tantrums, which is why most leave voters (and I'm sure most remain voters too) look at threads like this in bafflement.

Give up, love. You're unable to engage because you don't have the first clue.

I'm sorry you have to suffer this ongoing propensity towards a mixture of boredom and angry outbursts. Hopefully there is a way to manage this. Best wishes.

Why should they be "reasonable" if we showed such a blatant disregard and lack of care for the not only the Irish but the British citizens living in Ireland and NI as to quite literally risk starting a fucking war??? It's insane.

And if you think that WOULDN'T result in bombings on the uk mainland you really have lost the plot! Only chances are it would be previously loyalist factions that would feel betrayed doing it!

Your tortuous and tautological statement is rubbish.

Must do better. See me after class

Oh do piss off. That’s not even a counter argument. A referendum is a perfectly legitimate bargaining tool. It’s absolutely devastating for remainers when they realise they can’t depend on the IRA to act as their provisional arm and threaten bombings on their behalf.

Because that is what remainers want really isn’t it? The threat of violence. Well tough shit. Because the provos really couldn’t give two shits if remainers in London are forced to Brexit. They don’t care about you and if they have a chance to reunite Ireland they’re not going to do your dirty work for you.

Why should they be "reasonable" if we showed such a blatant disregard and lack of care for the not only the Irish but the British citizens living in Ireland and NI as to quite literally risk starting a fucking war??? It's insane.

Took the words out of my mouth.

The reason Brexiters are so full of shit and bravado over NI is because they're aware it could well be the cause of Brexit's demise.

Actually, to be quite honest, as a British person married to an Irish person with three children with dual nationality, it makes me absolutely furious that remainers are deliberately trying to stoke old fires and open old wounds to serve their own ends.

You couldn’t give two shits about Ireland.

People who genuinely did would be trying to work out how to keep the GFA in place with Brexit. Not using the IRA as a bogeyman to force political concessions in their own interests.

You think REMAINERS want a resurgence of the violence?? Are you kidding me?!

Nor are Remainers concerned with supporting "Provos" (use of that word rather betrays your ACTUAL view on the Irish situation by the way).

We want PEOPLE children, families to stay safe, for the violence NOT to return.

Such offensive posts. I wonder if you'd be brave enough to show them to a real life Irish person affected directly by the troubles, or anyone in the British army for that fact! Somehow I strongly doubt it

Why should they be "reasonable" if we showed such a blatant disregard and lack of care for the not only the Irish but the British citizens living in Ireland and NI as to quite literally risk starting a fucking war??? It's insane.

So basically what you’re saying is it’s fine to threaten wars which serve your own political ends (IRA strikes on mainland Britain if there is a hard border).

But then if there’s a suggestion of violence which might not suit your own political ends, then suddenly you’re all ‘Oh noes, why won’t somebody think of the children’.

I'm from Dublin so in my game of Top Trumps that tops your 'I'm married to an Irishman so my bullshit can't possibly be offensive'.

Soz.

I have duel citizenship under the GFA and my three children can also have Irish citizenship. That's because I am their Irish mum.

(disclaimer: I'm not married to @Eltonjohnssyrup) Praise be!

Is 'piss off' the best you can come up with?

No! Because we're not THREATENING war we're warning that's A potential CONSEQUENCE. Of this whole mess! Peace in NI was extremely hard won and brexiters seem to frankly not give a shit!

Might I remind you @Eltonjohnssyrup Northern Ireland voted to remain.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36614443

Link to support the remain vote in Northern Ireland.

Elton knows that they're arguing that's why they should be just given to Ireland - so they can stay in the EU.

It's not that simple of course but why let facts get in the way of a simplistic solution to a hugely centuries old conflict!

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I worked in central government for four years. I know about politicians and about what goes on behind the scenes.

Sounds like Elton’s academic research was done in an Irish theme pub on the back of a beer mat.

“People who genuinely did would be trying to work out how to keep the GFA in place with Brexit. Not using the IRA as a bogeyman to force political concessions in their own interests.”

There is a way to do it. It’s called staying in the single market and customs union.

You think REMAINERS want a resurgence of the violence?? Are you kidding me?!

Yes. They are regularly using it as a threat.

Nor are Remainers concerned with supporting "Provos" (use of that word rather betrays your ACTUAL view on the Irish situation by the way).

I have no idea what you mean by that. I know plenty of republicans who refer to them like that. Or the RA. Or ‘Grandad’. Or ‘Uncle Dave who knows where the guns are buried’. I’ve been to funerals where blokes in balaclavas fired gunshots over coffins with people who referred to them as Provos. As opposed to Sinn Fein, so I’m certainly not taking lectures off you.

It is completely an option to offer a referendum. And all the spluttering is just frustration that there is a response to the EU dangling the threat of EU violence. You might not like it. But there is.

Anyway, I think I will leave this. But it’s fun watching remainers tie themselves in knots demanding that people listen to their worries then in the next breath say ‘Why should we care about your concerns’ or dangle the threat of IRA violence but when a referendum is suggested start crying that it might cause violence.

Bunch of bloody hypocrites. Just using NI as a blackmailing chip.

Remainers aren’t using NI as a blackmailing chip.

We’re just pointing out the problem and asking Brexiters how they think it can be solved. So far nobody has come up with a workable solution.