to ask how you’re preparing for Brexit?

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There is so much uncertainty surrounding what will happen with trade deals and goodness knows what else, that I’m starting to wonder about making some sensible plans.

We have put a stop to some planned works we wanted to do to our house, we have downsized to one car and we grow a small amount of veg. We keep some stocks of food in the house but we have a large family so I never feel like we’d have enough.
We have discussed not taking a holiday this summer and DH is taking every training course possible at work in order to diversify his skills should his industry go tits up.

I’m wondering what decisions you’re making in your homes for what could possibly be a really uncertain time for a few years.

I heard a leaver on the radio saying he voted out because he didn't like the Polish food aisle in Sainsbury's and he wanted rid of it. I kid you not.

Patronising? You really are a piece of work. Also beginning to sound like that awful Cathy Newman - "So what you're saying is blah blah opposite of what I actually said ".

You asked for clarity, the memo is clear. Apply for recognition. Not once did I mention citizenship. I answered your post about right to practice law. Don't obfuscate, hard though that is for lawyers.

*Snow, I know you’re trying to sound reasonable, but really, you’re full of hot air.

We need details, not fluff*

You are one to talk about patronising spiels

quite surprised that people who live where they are not citizens need this kind of thing to make them take action In Spain you need to be resident for 10 years (or married to a Spaniard for a year) so if you aren't married to a Spaniard you can't just decide to take nationality whenever you want. Also, it's expensive and a lot of hassle, more so than UK citizenship. And you can't have dual nationality, so it's a big step, you have to give up your UK nationality.
And anyway, why would you when you don't have to as an EU citizen?

lauriemarlow I remember that interview too!

My EU wife and I (UK national) came here 40 years ago in good faith relying on FOM. She's had to go through the whole ILR process (rejected first time) and is now fearfully awaiting her dreaded Life in the UK test later this month as part of the citizenship procedure. We're doing this while her country of birth still allows dual citizenship; the Embassy advised us to do it before Brexit takes effect.

When we've mentioned this, people appear surprised and ask why she didn't apply years ago (although a few thought it happened automatically!). Why should we have even contemplated doing so? There was no need, as we were protected by treaty as EU members and naturally expected that we would continue to be. It's only now that the UK is looking to rescind that treaty that we are forced to go through the process (and pay through the nose).

Well I'm panic searching how to start building a bunker now...

Having qualifications recognised in Spain is a very long drawn out process and often requires redoing parts of your qualification if an equivalent doesn't exist in Spain. It's not cheap either. Spouting off about stuff you know nothing about makes you look stupid.

The reason I was embarrassed by my British identity was because of the Iraq war. Of course I do realize that it has got nothing to do with Brexit.

I don't think there is any logical reason for Brexit in any way. Leavers have never been able to explain what is good about it. Most of the people I know in RL voted leave because they believed what they read in the Daily Mail/Express/The Sun.

It just seems like Brexit is going to be an expensive mistake and for very little gain imvho.

I completely understand that people are upset and fearful of what rights they will have when the UK leaves the EU. Change is terrifying, especially when the right to live and work is involved. I do get that. I would still vote to leave all over again if I had to. Nothing about how the EU officials have conducted themselves over Brexit has convinced me otherwise.

quite surprised that people who live where they are not citizens need this kind of thing to make them take action - and that works for both those leaving and coming into the UK. Yes, I know it takes time - but seeing so many on here who've been 'abroad' for years and are only now sorting out passports.

you have to prove continuous residency and jump through many other hoops it is not a right you have simply by living and working in country.

I was quite proud to be British, living and working in another European country, I didn't have to change anything in order to do this, it was a right I had as a British and European citizen, now its all changed, not just for me but millions of others, and brexiteers keep telling us we are over reacting because we are genuinely worried about the future we had worked and planned for ourselves and our children being snatched away, telling us that nothing will change, but the whole point of their leave votes was to change things

The difference between the dignity, clarity and intelligence of the EU officials compared to incompetence, weakness and belligerence of the British government is stark. Surely the most inept in living memory.

My EU wife and I (UK national) came here 40 years ago in good faith relying on FOM.

So you arrived here in 1978 in anticipation of the 1992 Treaty?

That was to theftbyfinding. ^^

I love how leavers on here are saying that nothing will change at all. If nothing will change surely we may as well have stayed in and saved spending thousands on government negotiating Brexit. A year after the referendum and you still can't tell us something good that we will get from leaving.

I'm learning Spanish with my kids. If they're not going to have the same rights to FOM that I had growing up then I figure speaking an EU language (which is also the third most spoken language in the world) gives them some hope of being able to live abroad if they want to.

We'll also probably fix the mortgage for five years. Although so many people seem to be planning to do that, that I think the mortgage companies might get wise to it and not offer great rates on five year deals.

The difference between the dignity, clarity and intelligence of the EU officials compared to incompetence, weakness and belligerence of the British government is stark. Surely the most inept in living memory.

This. And you'd have to be either pretty stupid or immensely biased to conclude otherwise. Or solely indebted to the red tops for all your information.

Leavers have never been able to explain what is good about it.

Leavers will never be able to "explain" to people who insist they are just wrong and are only asking so they can ridicule any given reason.

So they don't try. (because they know there is no explanation).

Leavers will never be able to "explain" to people who insist they are just wrong and are only asking so they can ridicule any given reason. There have been endless threads about it and NOT ONE reason stands up to actual scrutiny. Even the governement's OWN reports say it will negatively affect the UK.

No, a few leavers have appeared at various times and expressed views about the reasons and benefits - they are just abused and told they are wrong. My greatest regret of this whole thing is how vicious people have become in defending their entrenched positions.

I didn't even vote for the party that gave us the bastarding referendum - but once it was happening I felt obliged to participate.

I see nothing wrong with people tightening their belts ready for the Unknown. What's clearly obvious though is the scaremongering by those who will possibly be plucked from their comfort zone.
Maybe a complete overall and heavens forbid the abolishment of public sector pensions will give the UK a way to move forward.

The world has changed dramatically in the past 40yrs. People cannot expect to not be affected.

You asked for clarity, the memo is clear. Apply for recognition. Not once did I mention citizenship. I answered your post about right to practice law. Don't obfuscate, hard though that is for lawyers.

Sorry if I didn’t make it clear enough theft, but “applying for recognition” is not enough.

Your right to have your qualifications recognised is - in some countries - dependent on your being an EU citizen.

I could apply to be admitted to the Irish bar tomorrow and for the princely sum of €300 I could become an Irish lawyer even though I’ve never set foot in Ireland. But that will be worth precisely jack shit after Brexit if I want to work in a country where they will only recognise your qualifications if you are an EU citizen, which is the case in some countries.

You do not know what you are talking about.

NOT ONE reason stands up to actual scrutiny

See - once you have such a closed mind, there's really no point in further debate.

Asking for reasons and then just saying "but they are all wrong" isn't achieving much - you aren't really asking to hear reasons that might exist - just ones you can ridicule.

That's all fine, but it's a bit pointless.

Show me a post that has given a concrete reason to leave that is not something vague like 'sovereignty' or actually not even EU related like 'immigration'.

Even if I disagreed with the reason I'd respect it for having an actual solid foundation.

The leavers I have seen arguing for the benefits here have been in the main painfully poorly informed and very naive.

Are we supposed to pretend their arguments are stronger than they are to spare their blushes? To refrain from pointing out inaccuracies and downright untruths?

The sad fact is Leave arguments are very easy to demolish being so weak.